Add Muslim Americans to the list of people conservatives hate

[Badger]

Hilarious.  It's "hate" when we disagree with Islam, but liberals NEVER rant about Christians. Totally.

No, that is frequently hateful too, and equally worthy of scorn.

[Badger]

I love thread titles like this one. They remind me how small-minded some¹ liberals can be with their generalizations.

1. "Some" indicates "not all."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146540/Republicans-Democrats-Disagree-Muslim-Hearings.aspx

Islamophobia is not a minority viewpoint in the US, it's the norm. In a few liberal cosmopolitan areas, anti-Muslim sentiment is rare but elsewhere it's common.

A larger percentage of conservatives than liberals may be bigoted towards Muslim Americans, but that doesn't mean "conservatives hate Muslims" like it's a prerequisite for anyone self-identifying as a conservative.

And if I found some freak incident about a racist Democrat and posted a thread called "liberals hate black people," I have a feeling it wouldn't go down with nearly as warm a welcome as this thread has. So I'm gonna call it out whether I embarrass myself or not.

Sadly Hagrid, this isn't a "freak individual incident". It is a well-documented report regarding repeated examples of overt prejudice and mistrust exhibited at both the TX GOP convention and a Heritage Foundation summit. These are about as mainstream conservative (even TX ) as one can get.

It doesn't mean "all" conservatives are Islamophobic, but I didn't get that vibe from this thread. What it does demonstrate, quite sadly, is rampant unrestrained anti-Muslim bigotry is accepted and even welcome at all levels of mainstream conservatism.

I'm chagrinned and disgusted. I wish these folks could at least realize even if they don't care about being mean, it's dumb politics.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Butthurt blue avatars are butthurt.

If you don't like being associated with islamophobic bigotry, then maybe you should leave the islamophobic party.

And what conservative party are we supposed to join? Just because Allen West is an islamophobe doesn't make his party islamophobic, just like Strauss-Kahn being a rapist does not make the French Socialist Party remotely pro-rape. What a ridiculous claim.

[Badger]

Butthurt blue avatars are butthurt.

If you don't like being associated with islamophobic bigotry, then maybe you should leave the islamophobic party.

And what conservative party are we supposed to join? Just because Allen West is an islamophobe doesn't make his party islamophobic, just like Strauss-Kahn being a rapist does not make the French Socialist Party remotely pro-rape. What a ridiculous claim.

But as these articles demonstrate, it goes far beyond Allen West and other fringe actors.

It is imperative reasonable conservatives and Republicans fight such foolishness from the inside, not coddle it out of political expediency.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Butthurt blue avatars are butthurt.

If you don't like being associated with islamophobic bigotry, then maybe you should leave the islamophobic party.

And what conservative party are we supposed to join? Just because Allen West is an islamophobe doesn't make his party islamophobic, just like Strauss-Kahn being a rapist does not make the French Socialist Party remotely pro-rape. What a ridiculous claim.

But as these articles demonstrate, it goes far beyond Allen West and other fringe actors.

It is imperative reasonable conservatives and Republicans fight such foolishness from the inside, not coddle it out of political expediency.

The Texas GOP has always been and always will be filled with these people. What bothers me is Reince Preibus and the rest of the RNC are still worshipping the base, which is dying more and more by the day. Common sense dictates that the base will vote for Hillary if the GOP nominates her. Where were the third party “True Conservative” campaigns when we nominated McCain and Romney, who they were not partial to in the least bit? It’s like their running after a carrot dangling from a stick attached to their head.

 This party could be much better off right now if we started changing things, but it is going to take Rand Paul a presidential run or two before the state parties fall into the right hands. Thankfully, a vast majority of the young Republicans I know are either moderate or Paulite, and a healthy combination of both will make the GOP competitive again. All the “The GOP is Dead!” threads from the likes of Dr. Scholl are partially true in the short term, and the real question the RNC needs to be asking is how long do we want the short term to last?

[Simfan34]

They were once one of the most Republican friendly of minority groups. Funny how things change.

It's sad, of course. But you wonder how it could have lasted past 2001.

Of course, I don't hate Muslims either, nor do I think if most of you were to go outside and ask Republicans if they hated Muslims you'd get an affirmative answer, but don't let that stop you.

[Badger]

They were once one of the most Republican friendly of minority groups. Funny how things change.

It's sad, of course. But you wonder how it could have lasted past 2001.

Of course, I don't hate Muslims either, nor do I think if most of you were to go outside and ask Republicans if they hated Muslims you'd get an affirmative answer, but don't let that stop you.

Simfan, I too doubt the multitude of Heritage Foundation panelests and good TX GOP conventioneers who shamelessly acted like prejudiced f%$"heads would admit they 'hatee Muslims' if asked. But neither would, in all seriousness, a majority of Klansmen either (they simply 'love the white race'). So that realy doesn't change $hit about what happened hear.

Quit apologizing for a$$holes just because they share our desire not to see Hillary as president.

[pbrower2a]

Jew-hating and Muslim-hating go together. Bigotry ranges free, and it is easy to transfer from one group to the other.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

They were once one of the most Republican friendly of minority groups. Funny how things change.

They might well be again should the Democrats nominate a Jewish veep again (or prez, obviously). Anybody have results from Dearborn when Senator Levin runs?

Uh, no.  Muslims voted 2-1 for Bush 1 in 1992, swung to Clinton by a similar margin in 1996, then back to the GOP in 2000 when Bush 2 openly embraced them.  American Muslims are, contrary to what the media would have one think, very conservative both socially and economically and therefore should be Republicans.  But any campaign that takes them for granted will lose them, and lose them by a lot.  You can read more about this in depth here.  But please don't suggest that Democrats will lose the Muslim vote on the virtue of them having a Jewish person on the ticket.

I realize that your knowledge of religion is very weak, but at least do some research before you want to make a totally ignorant statement like that again.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Jew-hating and Muslim-hating go together.

In the American context at least that seems to generally not be the case. More often haters of one group will imagine themselves as having common cause with the other.

[BaconBacon96]

Ugh, that video was absolutely disgusting. The Party of Lincoln should be ashamed of what it's become.

[Deus Naturae]

Ugh, that video was absolutely disgusting. The Party of Lincoln should be ashamed of what it's become.

Indeed.

[justfollowingtheelections]

This really tells you all you need to know:

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What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Disgusting.

And the comments on that yahoo article by republicans/conservatives are so sick they make me want to vomit.

[Cassius]

This really tells you all you need to know:

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What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Disgusting.

And the comments on that yahoo article by republicans/conservatives are so sick they make me want to vomit.

Well stop reading and make straight for your nearest toilet.

[Mechaman]

Ugh, that video was absolutely disgusting. The Party of Lincoln should be ashamed of what it's become.

Oh yes, I'm sure they should be ashamed that their bigotries are now less "respectable" than they were back in the 19th century.

[SWE]

Ugh, that video was absolutely disgusting. The Party of Lincoln should be ashamed of what it's become.

Indeed.

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What's this supposed to be linking to?

[Хahar 🤔]

This really tells you all you need to know:

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What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Disgusting.

One of my friends likes to tell people at college that she's from the same city as the author of The Kite Runner. When they ask if she's from Afghanistan, she says no, she's from Fremont, California. It's silly but it's funny.

[memphis]

They were once one of the most Republican friendly of minority groups. Funny how things change.

They might well be again should the Democrats nominate a Jewish veep again (or prez, obviously). Anybody have results from Dearborn when Senator Levin runs?

Uh, no.  Muslims voted 2-1 for Bush 1 in 1992, swung to Clinton by a similar margin in 1996, then back to the GOP in 2000 when Bush 2 openly embraced them.  American Muslims are, contrary to what the media would have one think, very conservative both socially and economically and therefore should be Republicans.  But any campaign that takes them for granted will lose them, and lose them by a lot.  You can read more about this in depth here.  But please don't suggest that Democrats will lose the Muslim vote on the virtue of them having a Jewish person on the ticket.

I realize that your knowledge of religion is very weak, but at least do some research before you want to make a totally ignorant statement like that again.

I merely suggested a scenario under which Muslims would return to the Republican fold. I didn't care to give their entire voting history because I felt that it was already strongly implied by the discussion. I'm also more than willing to go toe to toe on knowledge of religion with somebody who insists that the SBC is a cult. I think it would make for a hilarious conversation.
As it happens, I was raised under the dark cloud of religion, both in my childhood household and in the greater Bible Belt culture where I grew up and continue to live. Just for Inks and giggles, I even took a few religion classes in college. Like most atheists, I know more about religion, its principles, and the harm it causes in the real world than most people do. Certainly more than most religious people, who forge a belief system on faith, rather than pausing to think things through for themselves.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

As an agnostic, I have no problem if you rant over Islam, Christianity, or whatever, as long as you don't go after the people who follow them.

[SWE]

The difference between Christianity and  Islam is that muslim is a false religion.  Disagreeing with a false religion does not equate to hating those who practice it.

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[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

They were once one of the most Republican friendly of minority groups. Funny how things change.

They might well be again should the Democrats nominate a Jewish veep again (or prez, obviously). Anybody have results from Dearborn when Senator Levin runs?

Uh, no.  Muslims voted 2-1 for Bush 1 in 1992, swung to Clinton by a similar margin in 1996, then back to the GOP in 2000 when Bush 2 openly embraced them.  American Muslims are, contrary to what the media would have one think, very conservative both socially and economically and therefore should be Republicans.  But any campaign that takes them for granted will lose them, and lose them by a lot.  You can read more about this in depth here.  But please don't suggest that Democrats will lose the Muslim vote on the virtue of them having a Jewish person on the ticket.

I realize that your knowledge of religion is very weak, but at least do some research before you want to make a totally ignorant statement like that again.

I merely suggested a scenario under which Muslims would return to the Republican fold. I didn't care to give their entire voting history because I felt that it was already strongly implied by the discussion. I'm also more than willing to go toe to toe on knowledge of religion with somebody who insists that the SBC is a cult. I think it would make for a hilarious conversation.
As it happens, I was raised under the dark cloud of religion, both in my childhood household and in the greater Bible Belt culture where I grew up and continue to live. Just for Inks and giggles, I even took a few religion classes in college. Like most atheists, I know more about religion, its principles, and the harm it causes in the real world than most people do. Certainly more than most religious people, who forge a belief system on faith, rather than pausing to think things through for themselves.

[There used to be words here pointing out one of several issues with the quoted post but] You know? I'm not even going to bother, and rather than just deleting this post, I'll use it to strongly advise Scott not to either.

[pbrower2a]

The difference between Christianity and  Islam is that muslim is a false religion.  Disagreeing with a false religion does not equate to hating those who practice it.

Atheists tell us that all religion is false.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The difference between Christianity and  Islam is that muslim is a false religion.  Disagreeing with a false religion does not equate to hating those who practice it.

Atheists tell us that all religion is false.

That tends to be the case I think, though perhaps some variants of atheism wouldn't put in that way.  And those who do see them as false religions don't necessarily hate those who practice those religions, though there may be a lack of understanding and appreciation. 

But using political power and harassment and fear against those you disagree with, that is hatred.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Add me to the list of conservatives who don't hate Muslim Americans.

[Badger]

Add me to the list of conservatives who don't hate Muslim Americans.

Duly noted. I'll let them know.