Balance of Power - WORLD WAR (The End)

[windjammer]

I totally disagree with the results.

I speak as Assistant GM.

Given that Germany was weakened during the war, this is impossible that they have been able to pass so easily in the Alpes. Especially because this time, they didn't pass by the Belgian this time. This is truly impossible.

[windjammer]

Recall that there is also an overwhelming number of Italian and American troops present to support the German-led invasion

And I speak once again as Assistant GM:
Oh come on, the italian army was weak during this period. Their entry into WW1 basically changed nothing for the Triple Alliance.
And for the USA, remember, this is 1905, not 2005, the USA isn't a major military power.


And Llumine, well, I understand more what you wanted to do, even if I remain sceptical, remember this can"t be 1940. The Germans aren't attacking France by Belgian, so this is impossible France collapses so quickly.

[windjammer]

Recall that there is also an overwhelming number of Italian and American troops present to support the German-led invasion

And I speak once again as Assistant GM:
Oh come on, the italian army was weak during this period. Their entry into WW1 basically changed nothing for the Triple Alliance.
And for the USA, remember, this is 1905, not 2005, the USA isn't a major military power.


And Llumine, well, I understand more what you wanted to do, even if I remain sceptical, remember this can"t be 1940. The Germans aren't attacking France by Belgian, so this is impossible France collapses so quickly.

In all fairness, I've made the Italian army much stronger than it was in OTL. This is alternate history - things can change at will.

Also, we'd like to note that no progress was made in the Alps.

Oh please, Mussolini probably tried to reinforce his army much more than you, and Italia was still a massive joke during WW2.

And even if germans didn't make any progress in the Alps, there is no way France could collapse quickly.
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Well, since the presidential race is over, and since AHU isn't in the war, I announce I'm now completely the Assistance GM (while still being the AHU player).
So please players, when you have to send a PM to Lumine, send a PM to me as well!

[windjammer]

How many American troops could possibly be in Europe? Sending over men from America would be difficult unless they had control of the Atlantic, which they very much don't. The American standing army is also quite small and building a larger one would take time.

And this as well

[windjammer]

I'd say Lumine has made his choice, Germany has won some battles in the initial phase war of the war, which doesn't have to mean really much. There was no talk of France completely destroyed, a look on the map proves that I didn't even get out of Lorraine, I'm at most at the Champagne border!
And This is as unlikely as you say - remember 1871, when Germany easily got to Paris, without even a centralized army and without most of southern Germany? The French and German army were about even for about ever, otherwise there couldn't have existed such a long, equal rivalry, as the stronger power would have tried (successfully) to significantly weak the other. Plus that I retreaded a bit to the east wasn't entirely bad, too, as the German armies fought down the Vosges and there were not huge frontier fortifications as on the OTL border.

Germant managed to win in 1870 because Bismarck was a perfect bad ass and that France made a lot of mistakes.

Guys, could you stop with the RL arguments? Since he took over the United States, Clarence had been enlarging it's army and naval potential.

That"s not enough to consider that the USA is a major military power.


Guys, you make be good players, but in only 4 years, you can't make miracles.

[windjammer]

I'd say Lumine has made his choice, Germany has won some battles in the initial phase war of the war, which doesn't have to mean really much. There was no talk of France completely destroyed, a look on the map proves that I didn't even get out of Lorraine, I'm at most at the Champagne border!
And This is as unlikely as you say - remember 1871, when Germany easily got to Paris, without even a centralized army and without most of southern Germany? The French and German army were about even for about ever, otherwise there couldn't have existed such a long, equal rivalry, as the stronger power would have tried (successfully) to significantly weak the other. Plus that I retreaded a bit to the east wasn't entirely bad, too, as the German armies fought down the Vosges and there were not huge frontier fortifications as on the OTL border.

Germant managed to win in 1870 because Bismarck was a perfect bad ass and that France made a lot of mistakes.

Guys, could you stop with the RL arguments? Since he took over the United States, Clarence had been enlarging it's army and naval potential.

That"s not enough to consider that the USA is a major military power.


Guys, you make be good players, but in only 4 years, you can't make miracles.

Well, you never had such qualms when "miracles" were working on your favor

What do you mean?

[windjammer]

I'd say Lumine has made his choice, Germany has won some battles in the initial phase war of the war, which doesn't have to mean really much. There was no talk of France completely destroyed, a look on the map proves that I didn't even get out of Lorraine, I'm at most at the Champagne border!
And This is as unlikely as you say - remember 1871, when Germany easily got to Paris, without even a centralized army and without most of southern Germany? The French and German army were about even for about ever, otherwise there couldn't have existed such a long, equal rivalry, as the stronger power would have tried (successfully) to significantly weak the other. Plus that I retreaded a bit to the east wasn't entirely bad, too, as the German armies fought down the Vosges and there were not huge frontier fortifications as on the OTL border.

Germant managed to win in 1870 because Bismarck was a perfect bad ass and that France made a lot of mistakes.

Guys, could you stop with the RL arguments? Since he took over the United States, Clarence had been enlarging it's army and naval potential.

That"s not enough to consider that the USA is a major military power.


Guys, you make be good players, but in only 4 years, you can't make miracles.

Well, you never had such qualms when "miracles" were working on your favor

What do you mean?

One may argue that recovery of the Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire are not very realistic too, but I don't remember you ever objecting to that. To the contrary, you were very confident.

There is a difference between "recovering" and becoming a major power.

[windjammer]

I'd say Lumine has made his choice, Germany has won some battles in the initial phase war of the war, which doesn't have to mean really much. There was no talk of France completely destroyed, a look on the map proves that I didn't even get out of Lorraine, I'm at most at the Champagne border!
And This is as unlikely as you say - remember 1871, when Germany easily got to Paris, without even a centralized army and without most of southern Germany? The French and German army were about even for about ever, otherwise there couldn't have existed such a long, equal rivalry, as the stronger power would have tried (successfully) to significantly weak the other. Plus that I retreaded a bit to the east wasn't entirely bad, too, as the German armies fought down the Vosges and there were not huge frontier fortifications as on the OTL border.

Germant managed to win in 1870 because Bismarck was a perfect bad ass and that France made a lot of mistakes.

Guys, could you stop with the RL arguments? Since he took over the United States, Clarence had been enlarging it's army and naval potential.

That"s not enough to consider that the USA is a major military power.


Guys, you make be good players, but in only 4 years, you can't make miracles.

Was you reaching St. Petersburg in a year and a half not a miracle?

That wasn't a miracle at all when Russia faced attacks from all side without any ally.
And, if you speak about St. Petesburg, I wouldn't have probably conquered the city, because Russians played too much defensive. That's why I wanted to make peace.

I'd say Lumine has made his choice, Germany has won some battles in the initial phase war of the war, which doesn't have to mean really much. There was no talk of France completely destroyed, a look on the map proves that I didn't even get out of Lorraine, I'm at most at the Champagne border!
And This is as unlikely as you say - remember 1871, when Germany easily got to Paris, without even a centralized army and without most of southern Germany? The French and German army were about even for about ever, otherwise there couldn't have existed such a long, equal rivalry, as the stronger power would have tried (successfully) to significantly weak the other. Plus that I retreaded a bit to the east wasn't entirely bad, too, as the German armies fought down the Vosges and there were not huge frontier fortifications as on the OTL border.

Germant managed to win in 1870 because Bismarck was a perfect bad ass and that France made a lot of mistakes.

Guys, could you stop with the RL arguments? Since he took over the United States, Clarence had been enlarging it's army and naval potential.

That"s not enough to consider that the USA is a major military power.


Guys, you make be good players, but in only 4 years, you can't make miracles.

Well, you never had such qualms when "miracles" were working on your favor

What do you mean?

One may argue that recovery of the Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire are not very realistic too, but I don't remember you ever objecting to that. To the contrary, you were very confident.

There is a difference between "recovering" and becoming a major power.

The United States already had a strong fundamentals to build on.

Yep, Clarence is an extremely good player, but that's definitely not enough to believe the  USA is a major military player. the USA has become more powerful, I agree. But I believe that's not a major military player yet.

[windjammer]

So I speak as the AHU player this time .

AHU will stay neutral.

[windjammer]

So I speak as the AHU player this time .

AHU will stay neutral.

The Ottoman Empire is dissapointed with the AHU failure to aid their allies in time of great need. We shall think of revising our, until now, very close relations.

Well, I'm tired of making long speech. So I want to promote peace blablabla.