Mistake not to vote for Hillary as nominee.

[MissCatholic]

Republicans will be waiting for her to be picked.

Fox News - who are so powerful will push for Warner, Richardson, Feingold etc.

But how are any of the other possibilities going to win th election if Guliani gets it or is on the ticket.

New York, New Jersey could be gone - that will around 44-45 evs. only hillary can win these states against Guiliani.

By selecting the right vice president - who i`m convinced will be a governor/senator in a republican state. Feingold has a big future in the party but not now.

It has to be a democratic governor in a republican state...warner - nothing on him, napolitano - two women bad idea, richardson - oil companies dont like,

[opebo]

Guiliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the religious right.

[A18]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

[Akno21]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

55% think abortion should be always or mostly legal.

[Jake]

Guiliani stands with the 21% that support no abortion restrictions.   That block of mostly legal or mostly illegal are the mainstream.

[Blue Rectangle]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

55% think abortion should be always or mostly legal.

76% oppose abortion on demand (think that at least some limits should be in place).  Same poll, different spin.

[Moooooo]

Hillary Clinton has a better shot at receiving the Republican nomination than Rudy Giuliani.  If I was forced to bet.  I would bet on Bill Frist being the Republican nominee.

[George W. Bush]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

55% think abortion should be always or mostly legal.

That poll only asked 14,000 people, not really a fair representation of the 200,000,000+ people in the country.

[Akno21]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

55% think abortion should be always or mostly legal.

That poll only asked 14,000 people, not really a fair representation of the 200,000,000+ people in the country.

Do you have a better poll to produce?

[Jake]

Do you have a better poll to produce?

The poll is right, but as I said above, your analysis of it is wrong.

Always Legal  - 21%  The nuts thay say that even partial birth abortion should be availible no matter what.
Mostly  Legal  - 34%  Those opposed in the 3rd trimester most likely
Mostly Illegal  - 26%  Those opposed after the 1st trimester or for rape/incest
Always Illegal - 16%  The nuts opposed at all time.

Obviously, the mainstream is Mostly legal/Mostly illegal because they form 60% of the electorate

[Akno21]

Do you have a better poll to produce?

The poll is right, but as I said above, your analysis of it is wrong.

Always Legal  - 21%  The nuts thay say that even partial birth abortion should be availible no matter what.
Mostly  Legal  - 34%  Those opposed in the 3rd trimester most likely
Mostly Illegal  - 26%  Those opposed after the 1st trimester or for rape/incest
Always Illegal - 16%  The nuts opposed at all time.

Obviously, the mainstream is Mostly legal/Mostly illegal because they form 60% of the electorate

The way politicos break down abortion is pro-choice and pro-life. Mostly legal mostly illegal doesn't tell you anything about a person's position. It could be one of 98 points. (1% to 99%). Breaking it down pro-choice/pro-life leaves you a wide, but narrower gap than the three way you propose.

[Jake]

The way politicos break down abortion is pro-choice and pro-life. Mostly legal mostly illegal doesn't tell you anything about a person's position. It could be one of 98 points. (1% to 99%). Breaking it down pro-choice/pro-life leaves you a wide, but narrower gap than the three way you propose.

Pro-life/pro-choice doesn't describe the mainstream's position. The mainstream supports abortion with restrictions, most likely abortion up to the 3rd trimester.  The mainstream is not militantly pro-choice.

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Do you have a better poll to produce?

The poll is right, but as I said above, your analysis of it is wrong.

Always Legal  - 21%  The nuts thay say that even partial birth abortion should be availible no matter what.
Mostly  Legal  - 34%  Those opposed in the 3rd trimester most likely
Mostly Illegal  - 26%  Those opposed after the 1st trimester or for rape/incest
Always Illegal - 16%  The nuts opposed at all time.

Obviously, the mainstream is Mostly legal/Mostly illegal because they form 60% of the electorate

I would have thought more than 16% pposed first trimester abortions.

[True Democrat]

Acutally, there's a new poll on abortion from Gallup, but it will only be up for a few days.  Here are the numbers:

[A18]

Acutally, there's a new poll on abortion from Gallup, but it will only be up for a few days.  Here are the numbers:

Wow, 59% favor major restrictions.

[Jake]

Acutally, there's a new poll on abortion from Gallup, but it will only be up for a few days.  Here are the numbers:

Suprising to say the least.  59% favor abortion being disallowed except for exceptional circumstances.

[Ebowed]

Always Illegal - 16%  The nuts opposed at all time.

Looks like those "nuts" are growing in numbers.

[opebo]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee... because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

Yeah, that's what I said:

Guiliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the religious right.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

55% think abortion should be always or mostly legal.

That poll only asked 14,000 people, not really a fair representation of the 200,000,000+ people in the country.

Do you have a better poll to produce?

Let me cite three

Gallup 3/21-23

23% approve

LATimes 1/15-17

24% approve

ABC News/Washington Post

21% approve

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The bottom line of these polls, and numerous others over the years is that between one fifth and one quarter of the population favors essentially no limits on abortion.

Interestingly enough, approximately the same percentage of the population opposes abortion is just about every circumstance, while about half of the population favors allowing abortion in limited circumstances.

[Akno21]

Interpreting it like that (25-50-25) would really have you think that 75% of the country is pro-choice.

[CARLHAYDEN]

If 'pro-choice' means abortion under any circumstances, that would be correct.

However, please note the numerous restrictions that the public has consistently and overwhelmingly approved over the years.

Making partial birth abortion illegal.

Parental consent for minors.

Basically, the overwhelming public position was was pretty closely summarized by former President Clinton in that they want to make abortion both 'rare and safe.'

[Notre Dame rules!]

Interpreting it like that (25-50-25) would really have you think that 75% of the country is pro-choice.

That's ridiculous.  According to the Gallup poll, upwards of 77% of the people are opposed to at least some form of abortion, while fully 59% of the people are opposed most of the time.   That hardly makes for a pro-abortion majority. 

[Alcon]

Giuliani is not possible as the Republican nominee because he is unacceptable to the National Rifle Association and because he's entirely out of the American mainstream on social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

The majority of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

55% think abortion should be always or mostly legal.

That poll only asked 14,000 people, not really a fair representation of the 200,000,000+ people in the country.

14,000 people is statistically a massive sample for a poll. If we were only so lucky as to have more polls with that. It makes for a very small margin of error, and is among voters. You couldn't ask for a better poll, really.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Actually, Akno simplified my earlier post.

Abortion on demand     20 - 25 %

Limits on abortion         50 - 60

Anti-abortion                 20 - 25

There are a number of factors in the swing shown above:

First, how you phrase the question,

Second, how you structure you sample.

The interesting politics of the situation are that the abortion on demand forces are absolutists,  while the pro-life forces are working on incremental measures (partial birth abortion), which are highly popular with most Americans.

The abortion on demand forces dominate the liberal media, academia and the judiciary, but are slowly lsing ground with middle america over the past generation.

In many ways, the pattern is not unlike that which raged over the issue of slavery in the years between the Dred Scott decision (the 19th century counterpart to Roe) and the Civil War.  The pro-slavery forces largely abandoned their earlier apology for slavery as a 'necessary evil,' and changed to advocating it as a 'positive good,' thereby alienating middle America.  Similiarly, the anti=slavery forces (except for a few fanatics) did NOT advocate legal equality, but merely an end to slavery, thereby avoiding alienating middle America.

As we have seen in recent events, the judiciary is the most arrogant, unresponsive and irresponsible branch of the government, which stubbornly refuses to face facts and admit its own errorsl

Remember the long road from Plessy to Brown.

I cannot see the extreme pro-life advocated getting their way and outlawing all abortions, but it seems to me that the pro-abortion forces have staked out a position bound for inevitable defeat.

[Jake]

Always Illegal - 16%  The nuts opposed at all time.

Looks like those "nuts" are growing in numbers.

I'm one of them, I had to balance it out though