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So, it looks like the Northeast is officially a "swing region" once again.

It looks like my endorsement didn't mean much, though.

[sentinel]

I think the biggest question is how we managed to lose the Northeast. I think Dallasfan and I should have gotten on the PM train to round up early support in the Northeast a lot earlier. Labor support for DemPGH was definitely consolidated (as in every region) which obviously had an effect.

This is worse than the Red Wedding.

Well, fairly, it's just because you failed to get support from the social liberal faction of the Labor Party: Talleyrand, Nappy, Averroes: all voted for the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket!

And yep, I was quite surprised too.

I wouldn't call your assessment "fair" per say. Like I said, Labor is always very good at voting in bloc. They did it in the Northeast too. Nationwide, I think I maybe had one or two Labor votes? I do think that you underestimate how many people vote for who messaged them first, or how many people simply flip a coin and vote.

Regardless, since you showed up Windjammer, you should know that even though your ticket won in raw vote counts, the SirNick/Dallasfan ticket vastly outperformed the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket.

Think about it. Labor has a base of about 48 people. You received about 68 votes. That is your base of support (100%) + 42% or so more. So you outperformed by 42%. The SirNick/DemPGH base of TPP + DR = 24 people. We received 63 votes. Thats 100% + another 162%. We over performed by  162%.

Because its not an electoral college, it doesn't matter who won the Northeast, Midwest, etc...it matters how many voters you get, and yes, you won the raw vote count --but its much easier to achieve that number when you have a consolidated major party where the nominee is one of their own. We were a unity ticket between two parties, which received an endorsement by a major party which has nowhere near the same effect as one of their own recieving the endorsement.

All in all, we performed very well and our loss is not because we couldn't steal Labor icons like Averroes.

I think it was obvious that the Federalists were going to vote mostly for you Sirnick. The fact that the  DemPGH/Windjammer managed to get some federalists voters is probably much more an exploit than your score among the Feds Sirnick. I mean, we were the Labor ticket. This is why we have won because we have been able to gain support from Feds who would have voted (normally) for the non-Labor ticket: tmthforu, hagrid, goldwater,...

While it was expected we would win most Federalists, they were not going to vote in-bloc like Labor does because their nominee was not one of their own. Although I do have some anecdotal evidence of the attacks you waged via PM, which is not appreciative since we weren't attacking you.

Labor is always very good at voting in bloc. They did it in the Northeast too. Nationwide, I think I maybe had one or two Labor votes?

dem/windy got no votes from D-R and only two from TPP, but nobody would say those parties are "always very good at voting in bloc."

Whats your point? I was complimenting Griffin

[windjammer]

I think the biggest question is how we managed to lose the Northeast. I think Dallasfan and I should have gotten on the PM train to round up early support in the Northeast a lot earlier. Labor support for DemPGH was definitely consolidated (as in every region) which obviously had an effect.

This is worse than the Red Wedding.

Well, fairly, it's just because you failed to get support from the social liberal faction of the Labor Party: Talleyrand, Nappy, Averroes: all voted for the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket!

And yep, I was quite surprised too.

I wouldn't call your assessment "fair" per say. Like I said, Labor is always very good at voting in bloc. They did it in the Northeast too. Nationwide, I think I maybe had one or two Labor votes? I do think that you underestimate how many people vote for who messaged them first, or how many people simply flip a coin and vote.

Regardless, since you showed up Windjammer, you should know that even though your ticket won in raw vote counts, the SirNick/Dallasfan ticket vastly outperformed the DemPGH/Windjammer ticket.

Think about it. Labor has a base of about 48 people. You received about 68 votes. That is your base of support (100%) + 42% or so more. So you outperformed by 42%. The SirNick/DemPGH base of TPP + DR = 24 people. We received 63 votes. Thats 100% + another 162%. We over performed by  162%.

Because its not an electoral college, it doesn't matter who won the Northeast, Midwest, etc...it matters how many voters you get, and yes, you won the raw vote count --but its much easier to achieve that number when you have a consolidated major party where the nominee is one of their own. We were a unity ticket between two parties, which received an endorsement by a major party which has nowhere near the same effect as one of their own recieving the endorsement.

All in all, we performed very well and our loss is not because we couldn't steal Labor icons like Averroes.

I think it was obvious that the Federalists were going to vote mostly for you Sirnick. The fact that the  DemPGH/Windjammer managed to get some federalists voters is probably much more an exploit than your score among the Feds Sirnick. I mean, we were the Labor ticket. This is why we have won because we have been able to gain support from Feds who would have voted (normally) for the non-Labor ticket: tmthforu, hagrid, goldwater,...

While it was expected we would win most Federalists, they were not going to vote in-bloc like Labor does because their nominee was not one of their own. Although I do have some anecdotal evidence of the attacks you waged via PM, which is not appreciative since we weren't attacking you.

Labor is always very good at voting in bloc. They did it in the Northeast too. Nationwide, I think I maybe had one or two Labor votes?

dem/windy got no votes from D-R and only two from TPP, but nobody would say those parties are "always very good at voting in bloc."

Whats your point? I was complimenting Griffin

You're definitely extremely hypocrit.

Who opened a thread the last day of the voting vote accusing the DemPGH supporters of trying to influence the voting booth by creating a wiki page? It was you! And when you discovered it was Averroes, you sent to him a PM saying you knew he was doing something right, but you were down in the votes, and you needed to get votes.

And yep, I attacked you by PM. But, however, all these attacks, I made that publicy as well, like your anti education bill and the fact that Dallasfan legalized porn for children .

Oh and, maybe you didn't attack me directly. Bbut how to say, I'm not stupid. The attacks I faced by your supporters were coordinated. It was so strange that, when Keaton opened 3 threads against me, Lumine did at the same time a long article against me, and that you, you commented my views on free speech .

[Potus]

Mr. Vice President-Elect, that's not a fair assessment.

I brought up your controversial, and frankly anti-Atlasian, views of free speech because it is critical to governing. You get to administer the President's agenda, so whether you believe people have a right to free speech is actually really important. It's not as if my free speech attacks were baseless-y personal or whatever. Even the charge of incompetence was grounded on the fact that your flagship legislation from your time as Governor was overruled by the Supreme Court because of its shoddy wording.

My role in the negative turn in the last campaign was simple. I was trying to add some spice to an otherwise horrendously boring election. Ending the era of good feeling was about electrifying the political landscape, if only for a couple weeks. It made the game more fun, even though it was temporary. I will recognize that it has damaged by reputation and standing within the governing class, but I think it was worth it.

If the craziness hadn't happened, your ticket would have won more Federalists and maybe even a few DR's.  It would have been a much larger margin than 5 votes in the final round. The craziness created more bloc voting and whipped more people in favor of Sirnick, making the race fun and competitive. I don't regret making that happen.

Windjammer, don't try to claim moral high ground against negative campaigning or whatever. Labor is the party of TNF, the master of the dark arts. He helped get you elected. I'm not saying Labor is dirty and everyone else is clean. Everyone's dirty. Don't try to pontificate and establish yourself as somehow morally superior to folks who made the election more satisfying and fun.

Did it not feel better to win in the face of attacks? If both candidates had just stumbled to the finish line without paying attention to each other, there wouldn't have been any satisfaction in winning. Overcoming attacks that you literally hate free speech and winning the Vice Presidency is a big accomplishment.


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[windjammer]

Mr. Vice President-Elect, that's not a fair assessment.

I brought up your controversial, and frankly anti-Atlasian, views of free speech because it is critical to governing. You get to administer the President's agenda, so whether you believe people have a right to free speech is actually really important. It's not as if my free speech attacks were baseless-y personal or whatever. Even the charge of incompetence was grounded on the fact that your flagship legislation from your time as Governor was overruled by the Supreme Court because of its shoddy wording.

My role in the negative turn in the last campaign was simple. I was trying to add some spice to an otherwise horrendously boring election. Ending the era of good feeling was about electrifying the political landscape, if only for a couple weeks. It made the game more fun, even though it was temporary. I will recognize that it has damaged by reputation and standing within the governing class, but I think it was worth it.

If the craziness hadn't happened, your ticket would have won more Federalists and maybe even a few DR's.  It would have been a much larger margin than 5 votes in the final round. The craziness created more bloc voting and whipped more people in favor of Sirnick, making the race fun and competitive. I don't regret making that happen.

Windjammer, don't try to claim moral high ground against negative campaigning or whatever. Labor is the party of TNF, the master of the dark arts. He helped get you elected. I'm not saying Labor is dirty and everyone else is clean. Everyone's dirty. Don't try to pontificate and establish yourself as somehow morally superior to folks who made the election more satisfying and fun.

Did it not feel better to win in the face of attacks? If both candidates had just stumbled to the finish line without paying attention to each other, there wouldn't have been any satisfaction in winning. Overcoming attacks that you literally hate free speech and winning the Vice Presidency is a big accomplishment.


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Keaton, I'm not saying I'm morally superior, I just believe that Sirnick's attacks on me are hypocrit. There's a difference .

[Potus]

Riley is entirely correct. (Other than the absurd accusation that Windjammer holds "anti-Atlasian" views, obviously...)

Free speech and free expression are fundamental Atlasian values.

[Potus]

Mr. Vice President-Elect, that's not a fair assessment.

I brought up your controversial, and frankly anti-Atlasian, views of free speech because it is critical to governing. You get to administer the President's agenda, so whether you believe people have a right to free speech is actually really important. It's not as if my free speech attacks were baseless-y personal or whatever. Even the charge of incompetence was grounded on the fact that your flagship legislation from your time as Governor was overruled by the Supreme Court because of its shoddy wording.

My role in the negative turn in the last campaign was simple. I was trying to add some spice to an otherwise horrendously boring election. Ending the era of good feeling was about electrifying the political landscape, if only for a couple weeks. It made the game more fun, even though it was temporary. I will recognize that it has damaged by reputation and standing within the governing class, but I think it was worth it.

If the craziness hadn't happened, your ticket would have won more Federalists and maybe even a few DR's.  It would have been a much larger margin than 5 votes in the final round. The craziness created more bloc voting and whipped more people in favor of Sirnick, making the race fun and competitive. I don't regret making that happen.

Windjammer, don't try to claim moral high ground against negative campaigning or whatever. Labor is the party of TNF, the master of the dark arts. He helped get you elected. I'm not saying Labor is dirty and everyone else is clean. Everyone's dirty. Don't try to pontificate and establish yourself as somehow morally superior to folks who made the election more satisfying and fun.

Did it not feel better to win in the face of attacks? If both candidates had just stumbled to the finish line without paying attention to each other, there wouldn't have been any satisfaction in winning. Overcoming attacks that you literally hate free speech and winning the Vice Presidency is a big accomplishment.


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Keaton, I'm not saying I'm morally superior, I just believe that Sirnick's attacks on me are hypocrit. There's a difference .

Windjammer, you are about to be Vice President. You're here, in this thread, attacking the guy you beat of unfairly attacking you. That's a) asserting moral superiority and b) a waste of time.

You aren't shaping up to be a "great uniter" or even a mediocre uniter. You're about to be a heartbeat away from the presidency and you're litigating whether the guy you beat's attacks were fair or not. That doesn't matter. The attacks were not effective. You won. Their fairness is irrelevant.

Go be a leader, stop loitering in the GriffGraph thread attacking old opponents and start trying to turn this country around. Even if you believe the immensely important right to free speech is "silly" then, you should still attempt to govern on that principle. Go govern, go be a leader.

[Potus]

Riley is entirely correct. (Other than the absurd accusation that Windjammer holds "anti-Atlasian" views, obviously...)

Free speech and free expression are fundamental Atlasian values.

Windjammer's support for the law was motivated by other, equally Atlasian values, equity and justice.

That doesn't make it a good law, obviously, but I would also contend that there is nothing more Atlasian than poorly written legislation with unintended consequences.

That's the truth.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Labor is always very good at voting in bloc. They did it in the Northeast too. Nationwide, I think I maybe had one or two Labor votes?

dem/windy got no votes from D-R and only two from TPP, but nobody would say those parties are "always very good at voting in bloc."

Whats your point? I was complimenting Griffin

oh okay. i thought you were accusing labor of being some kind of hivemind.

[Adam Griffin]

Freedom of speech will not be tolerated in a Liebor administration

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That doesn't make it a good law, obviously, but I would also contend that there is nothing more Atlasian than poorly written legislation with unintended consequences.

Why didn't I think of that last August.

[Adam Griffin]

Discussion earlier in the week led me to the idea of plotting how the conservative vote in Atlasia tracks with presidential victories and losses post-dissolution: namely, how the percentage of conservative voters that select a left-wing final round candidate affect victory and defeat.

Also, I wanted to see if I had made history with my HISTORIC Conservative Coalition being the largest in such a situation (which it was, given the fact that there wasn't a right-winger in the final round in October 2012).

[Adam Griffin]

Blast from the past!

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Neat!