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« on: June 24, 2014, 06:17:26 PM »

Mega-FF, obviously, and it's quite a shame the history books (written by a combination of the reactionary right and spineless peacenik liberals who cower at the sight of blood) have dirtied his reputation over the centuries.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2014, 06:19:01 PM »

Are you trying to parody me?
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 06:19:08 PM »

You're trying way too hard.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 06:26:08 PM »


Indeed.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 08:22:27 PM »
« Edited: June 24, 2014, 08:24:51 PM by ChairmanSanchez »

Tune in next week for Phwezer's imitation of Maxwell, where he will portray one of Atlas's leading Libertarians.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 08:45:27 PM »

HP, one of the worst.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 01:32:14 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 09:35:24 AM »

One of the greatest. FF.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2014, 10:38:45 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2014, 11:11:06 AM »

Why do Americans seem to be obsessed with the French Revolution???
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2014, 11:12:02 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2014, 12:34:33 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2014, 12:48:49 PM »

As for my actual opinion of Robespierre, he was well-meaning but utterly, dreadfully inept at politics. He was basically brainwashed by Rousseau's thought, to the extent that he developed outlandish notions of how the world should be. And when people obviously failed to conform to these notions, he was completely lost. As I said once, he was basically the original True Leftist.

To be honest I wouldn't have minded the Reign of Terror, if it was actually carried out in a way that could help cement the Revolution and destroy the reactionary forces. In fact, the guy who actually created the Revolutionary Tribunal, Danton, is a personal hero of mine. But the fact is that what Robespierre achieved was the exact opposite of that, and by the time he was kicked out of power due to the fact he had basically alienated everybody, France experienced a conservative backlash that would last for about 30 years.

Anyone who has any basic notion of French history will tell you Robespierre was a moron and a failure.
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2014, 12:57:09 PM »

As for my actual opinion of Robespierre, he was well-meaning but utterly, dreadfully inept at politics. He was basically brainwashed by Rousseau's thought, to the extent that he developed outlandish notions of how the world should be. And when people obviously failed to conform to these notions, he was completely lost. As I said once, he was basically the original True Leftist.

To be honest I wouldn't have minded the Reign of Terror, if it was actually carried out in a way that could help cement the Revolution and destroy the reactionary forces. In fact, the guy who actually created the Revolutionary Tribunal, Danton, is a personal hero of mine. But the fact is that what Robespierre achieved was the exact opposite of that, and by the time he was kicked out of power due to the fact he had basically alienated everybody, France experienced a conservative backlash that would last for about 30 years.

Anyone who has any basic notion of French history will tell you Robespierre was a moron and a failure.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2014, 01:51:33 PM »

Why do Americans seem to be obsessed with the French Revolution???

Windjammer, it is easily one of the most interesting periods in European history. Regardless of what you think about the overall aims/tactics used, it's simply a fascinating event through and through.
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2014, 02:48:02 PM »

As I said once, he was basically the original True Leftist.

Not heard of the Taborites?
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 06:44:47 AM »

As I said once, he was basically the original True Leftist.

Not heard of the Taborites?
If religious people count as "truly leftist", the Waldensians and Cathars were earlier. ;-)
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2014, 03:07:04 PM »

Massive HP (sane).
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2014, 03:10:34 PM »

As I said once, he was basically the original True Leftist.

Not heard of the Taborites?

Actually, no. -_-

Of course, I should have known that calling someone "the original [whatever]" would in all likelihood be a mistake due to my lack of knowledge. Sorry about that.
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2014, 10:22:28 PM »

Why do Americans seem to be obsessed with the French Revolution???

Maybe because of how bizarre it was and what a massive up it turned out to be??  Haha.
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2014, 09:49:51 AM »
« Edited: June 28, 2014, 09:57:25 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Why do Americans seem to be obsessed with the French Revolution???

Because it is the first example to occur to demonstrate what could have easily happened in America had it not had such leaders as Washington, Adams, Franklin etc to help steer a moderate course.

The French Revolution helped to define the first party system and created the initial divide between Conservatives and Liberals (Classical Liberals) that lasted for at least a century, and elements of which still persist to this day. Part of the reason for that is it fit neatly into the context of adoption of the Constitution and what had motivated it (excess of democracy or tyranny of the mob).

Commercial Elites were scared to death of the wild men on the frontier, augmented by immigrants, and feared that the country would descend into mob rule and wanted a strong central gov't with a big military and Navy to protect them and soceity from upheaval. They were elitists who disdained immigrants and the common man, opposed liberalizing the franchise, wanted a standing Army and a Navy, and were pro-British against Revolutionary France and became known as the Federalists.

The masses loathed the elites and saw in them the seeds of Aristocratic and even monarchical rule and found the greatest threat to freedom in the centralization of power. They were generally pro-immigrant, opposed a standing Army and were pro-Revolutionary France. They became the Democratic-Republicans under Jefferson.

To the former group, Revolutionary France was what America would have looked like absent the new Constitution and had the people turned on each other in the chaos following the American Revolution. They saw it as a vindication and endorsement for their side of things as well.

Modern Conservatism also owes its existance to the writings of Edmund Burke in a book titled "Reflections on the French Revolution...".  The basic tenet of a Conservatism that embraces freedom and democracy is that when such goes too far, it is counterproductive and the end result is tyranny of no government followed by the tyranny of a savior riding in on horse or just taking advantage of the chaos to seize power. Revolutionary and Napoleonic France is the perfect case study of this in action. Russia in 1917 and Weimar Germany are more modern examples.  


Some light and easy reading on the matter:
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2014, 10:15:24 AM »

The problem is that, Americans, like French, believe in a false interpretation of the French Revolution. So this is always something that saddens me when I read threads about the French Revolution on this board.

I hope that the next centuries will finally reveal what really was the French Revolution, a bourgeois revolution.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2014, 10:35:38 AM »

The problem is that, Americans, like French, believe in a false interpretation of the French Revolution. So this is always something that saddens me when I read threads about the French Revolution on this board.

I hope that the next centuries will finally reveal what really was the French Revolution, a bourgeois revolution.

Whether it is a bourgeois revolution or not is beside the point in this consideration, though. What matters in this context is that the revolution went so far as to effectively eat itself leading to a strong man seizing power at the end.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2014, 11:23:56 AM »

The problem is that, Americans, like French, believe in a false interpretation of the French Revolution. So this is always something that saddens me when I read threads about the French Revolution on this board.

I hope that the next centuries will finally reveal what really was the French Revolution, a bourgeois revolution.

Of course it was a bourgeois revolution. No one really disputes that.
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2014, 11:29:58 AM »

The problem is that, Americans, like French, believe in a false interpretation of the French Revolution. So this is always something that saddens me when I read threads about the French Revolution on this board.

I hope that the next centuries will finally reveal what really was the French Revolution, a bourgeois revolution.

Of course it was a bourgeois revolution. No one really disputes that.

Um...highly recommend you read...pretty much anything by François Furet.  Or Lynn Hunt's Politics, Culture, and Class in the French Revolution.  The phrase bourgeois revolution itself has been seriously questioned over the last thirty years, but especially in the case of the French Revolution, where so many of the leading participants were not from any sort of commercial background at all.
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