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« on: June 24, 2014, 06:28:07 PM »

The Daily Beast's Ruben Navarrette argues that Clinton's views on immigration are not appealing to Hispanic voters. Among other things, he claims that her support of the increased deportation levels under President Obama lead to the conclusion that Clinton is "part of the problem" on immigration.

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2014, 06:32:30 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 06:33:51 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 06:41:01 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 06:43:35 PM »

I do agree though that Hillary shouldn't take latino voters for granted. Just one more reason why it would be so right and important for her to choose someone like Julian Castro to make the case for her.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 06:45:18 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?

Well... in a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton matchup, it might be difficult to tell who is more supportive of immigration.

I do agree though that Hillary shouldn't take latino voters for granted. Just one more reason why it would be so right and important for her to choose someone like Julian Castro to make the case for her.

Agreed. No candidate should take any group for granted. That is a surefire path to defeat on election night.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2014, 06:49:44 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?

Well... in a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton matchup, it might be difficult to tell who is more supportive of immigration.

Not a chance.  You also have to consider how Bush would need to move right on immigration to have a chance, how the GOP brand is tainted on that issue and how Hispanic voters don't only vote on immigration. 

And, let's just look at the relevant data point, Obama vs. comprehensive immigration reform bill author John McCain.  How did John McCain do with Hispanic voters in 2008? 
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 06:58:03 PM »
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lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?

Well... in a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton matchup, it might be difficult to tell who is more supportive of immigration.

Not a chance.  You also have to consider how Bush would need to move right on immigration to have a chance, how the GOP brand is tainted on that issue and how Hispanic voters don't only vote on immigration.  

And, let's just look at the relevant data point, Obama vs. comprehensive immigration reform bill author John McCain.  How did John McCain do with Hispanic voters in 2008?  

McCain didn't do well with Hispanic voters, but his weak performance wasn't isolated to that group. We have to remember how weak the Republican party was in general after the  financial crisis. Like all other cohorts, Hispanics voted for Obama in 2008 based on economic issues. I think that McCain's performance with Latinos validates what you just said about Hispanics not voting on immigration alone, but I don't remember McCain walking back his views on immigration during the primaries. So, the immigration debate wouldn't automatically allow Jeb to defeat Hillary, but it might help.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 07:00:26 PM »

Hispanics won't vote for the white nationalist party's candidate. Clinton has no Hispanic problem.
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 07:08:17 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?

Well... in a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton matchup, it might be difficult to tell who is more supportive of immigration.

Not a chance.  You also have to consider how Bush would need to move right on immigration to have a chance, how the GOP brand is tainted on that issue and how Hispanic voters don't only vote on immigration.  

And, let's just look at the relevant data point, Obama vs. comprehensive immigration reform bill author John McCain.  How did John McCain do with Hispanic voters in 2008?  

McCain didn't do well with Hispanic voters, but his weak performance wasn't isolated to that group. We have to remember how weak the Republican party was in general after the  financial crisis. Like all other cohorts, Hispanics voted for Obama in 2008 based on economic issues. I think that McCain's performance with Latinos validates what you just said about Hispanics not voting on immigration alone, but I don't remember McCain walking back his views on immigration during the primaries. So, the immigration debate wouldn't automatically allow Jeb to defeat Hillary, but it might help.

Republicans have done a ton of damage to their brand with Hispanics since 2005.  And, Hispanics just ideologically associate with Democrats, putting immigration to one side. 

Just throwing out some milquetoast position, like potentially supporting a comprehensive immigration reform bill is not going to convince anyone.  People who want immigration reform have heard this story before.  I think Jeb could keep Clinton from hitting 80% with Hispanics.  That's about what you could hope for.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 07:11:17 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?

Well... in a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton matchup, it might be difficult to tell who is more supportive of immigration.

I do agree though that Hillary shouldn't take latino voters for granted. Just one more reason why it would be so right and important for her to choose someone like Julian Castro to make the case for her.

Agreed. No candidate should take any group for granted. That is a surefire path to defeat on election night.

Exactly. Hillary needs Latino enthusiasm and turnout to win, not just a Kerryesque majority of support.

Anyone else here think Castro's nomination is mostly to give him enough of a resume to run as Hillary's Veep?
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2014, 07:26:12 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

This. Hillary dominated among Latinos in the 2008 primary.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2014, 08:33:38 PM »

Navarette is a conservative columnist so it's not exactly a surprise he is trashing Clinton.  His column conveniently omits Clinton's support for immigration reform and the DREAM Act, but of course those facts would not fit with the false narrative he is trying to create.  If Mr. Navarette would like to do something about the undocumented children here perhaps he could try supporting the DREAM Act himself instead of acting like an a$$ as he does in this column:

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So sorry, Mr. Navarette.  SOMEONE has a Latino problem, but it isn't Hillary or her party.  Latino voters know that what Republicans (and you) are offering them is a turd on a plate and vote accordingly.  You can go back and dream up some other obfuscation for the Right while the GOP continues to fail to act on immigration reform, passes more voting restrictions, opposes an increase in the minimum wage and makes more racist comments. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2014, 08:36:17 PM »

lol. Clinton has a higher approval rating among Latinos than Obama does. A joke article.

Perhaps Naverrette is implying that many Latinos support Clinton against their own interest.

Remember how other party is the Republican Party?

Well... in a Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton matchup, it might be difficult to tell who is more supportive of immigration.

Not a chance.  You also have to consider how Bush would need to move right on immigration to have a chance, how the GOP brand is tainted on that issue and how Hispanic voters don't only vote on immigration. 

And, let's just look at the relevant data point, Obama vs. comprehensive immigration reform bill author John McCain.  How did John McCain do with Hispanic voters in 2008? 
Except that McCain essentially turned his back on hispanics and essentially ended the immigration bill he had supported.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2014, 08:56:17 PM »

OP is trolling again.

Hillary is probably the most popular Presidential contender among Latinos.

Ugh, you again.

Yes, Hillary is popular with Latinos, but if I'm trolling by sharing someone else's news article, is the Daily Beast trolling by extent?

I just wanted to discuss an article pointing out that Hillary is not without fault in immigration, that's all. Will she still win Hispanics by a huge margin? Probably so, but that doesn't mean that her record is perfect.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2014, 09:12:26 PM »

Obama was supposed to have a Latino problem. He won Fresno county both times, which Kerry had lost by 16 points.
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2014, 10:45:38 AM »

Bill Clinton signed a bill increasing enforcement and penalties against illegal immigration one month before the 96 election. It didn't stop him from beating Dole with Hispanics by a margin even better than Obama beat Romney.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2014, 10:55:29 AM »

Exactly! We all still remember how Hillary lost each Hispanic majority state against Obama by huge margins.
Not to mention her defeat in her second worst "state" - Puerto Rico...
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