Would you support this bill?

[Prince of Salem]

Good evening, fellow Atlasians.

I'm seeking to have this bill introduced to the Senate, but I also want to know your opinion about it.

Would Sen. Bore or any At-Large Senator or just any Senator introduce this bill to the Senate? Please

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It's not like I've got anything against transgenders, but we are talking about government spending and taxpayer's money here, and I really believe this isn't the best way to go with it.

So, what do you think? ^^

[Flake]

No, I would not support it.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

absolutely not.

[LeBron]

Just as a reminder, this is Clause 4 of the Act:

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So no, I would be unlikely to support it unless you found a better, alternative way for coverage of sex changes. TNF's bill had bipartisan support btw with the votes of Federalists and Laborites, so the chances of this passing or even being sponsored are slim.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

lolno

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Not by itself, no, but since the current health care system is unsustainable, it would obviously need to be covered in another way.

[Barnes]

Absolutely not.  Sex changes are not just some "fad" or elective surgery - they are instead a vitally crucial process to preserve the mental and physical well-being of the person concerned.  It is the task of government to ensure that citizens lead their lives to the fullest of their potential and also respect the full development of their personalities and individuality.

[bore]

Obviously I don't and can't see myself supporting this bill, but I think, given civilian introduced legislation is rare enough that it should be encouraged, there is a shortage of items in the queue and I am JomCAR's regional senator I'll introduce the bill.

[Gass3268]

Of course not

[TNF]

No (not a fascist bastard)

[DemPGH]

No.

In addition to what Barnes said, there aren't many of these surgeries and in fact, it's not something that someone is going to wake up one morning and just decide to do. There's a deeper psychological issue here that we should not brush aside.

[windjammer]

No.

In addition to what Barnes said, there aren't many of these surgeries and in fact, it's not something that someone is going to wake up one morning and just decide to do. There's a deeper psychological issue here that we should not brush aside.

This.

[Cranberry]

Nope

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This shows the complete lack of understanding of the impacts of gender-identity on a person's psyche and mental health.

Gender re-assignment is not a cosmetic procedure, it's a corrective one and should be covered.

[Prince of Salem]

Not by itself, no, but since the current health care system is unsustainable, it would obviously need to be covered in another way.

Absolutely not.  Sex changes are not just some "fad" or elective surgery - they are instead a vitally crucial process to preserve the mental and physical well-being of the person concerned.  It is the task of government to ensure that citizens lead their lives to the fullest of their potential and also respect the full development of their personalities and individuality.

I'll take all the arguments given, but specially these two, they've been the best so far, I think.

No.

In addition to what Barnes said, there aren't many of these surgeries and in fact, it's not something that someone is going to wake up one morning and just decide to do. There's a deeper psychological issue here that we should not brush aside.

Mr. President-elect, I don't know if you saw the estimation of the cost of it: Senator TNF himself showed it when he was sponsoring the bill. And it was much more than expected. (Congratulations, BTW ^^)

I'll bring my feedback to your opinions when the bill is debated ^^

No (not a fascist bastard)

Oh TNF you~ xD

[Flake]

I would love to see the argument from the other side for why we shouldn't pay for these surgeries, is it only the cost that some of you are against?

[Prince of Salem]

I would love to see the argument from the other side for why we shouldn't pay for these surgeries, is it only the cost that some of you are against?

In my case, mostly yes. As much as I do consider mental health a key public issue, and I see sex change as an important and courageous decision, I don't think it justifies the costs that were published. And what Emperor Scott added is important too: the whole health care system is in trouble right now.

Personally, I'd like to see a more market-based solution, or things like charity developing more and being encouraged in Atlasia. This would make our individuals stronger, more compassionate and self-reliant

[Adam Griffin]

#thatmomentwhenconservativesfindoutatlasialookslikewhatamericawillin30

On a separate note, I'm not shocked to see not one conservative even try to touch this. This, JoMCaR, will tell you how scared conservatives in this game are to discuss their own positions.

You guys shouldn't leave him hanging, especially when 14 of you are hiding behind the poll!

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I would love to see the argument from the other side for why we shouldn't pay for these surgeries, is it only the cost that some of you are against?

In my case, mostly yes. As much as I do consider mental health a key public issue, and I see sex change as an important and courageous decision, I don't think it justifies the costs that were published. And what Emperor Scott added is important too: the whole health care system is in trouble right now.

Personally, I'd like to see a more market-based solution, or things like charity developing more and being encouraged in Atlasia. This would make our individuals stronger, more compassionate and self-reliant

I'm so sick of this empty suit argument by conservatives on nearly every, single issue... sick of it!

More "compassionate and self-reliant"... which carries on the nonsense that the right spins that people are on welfare or use public systems because they just don't "want it enough" or don't have the right "work-ethic". The answer to society's ills is NOT to hope the afflicted can rely on the good-will of the better off. There's a reason why social insurance exists, because it works.

Apologies that your thread copped it, but I needed to vent it.

[Barnes]

I would love to see the argument from the other side for why we shouldn't pay for these surgeries, is it only the cost that some of you are against?

In my case, mostly yes. As much as I do consider mental health a key public issue, and I see sex change as an important and courageous decision, I don't think it justifies the costs that were published. And what Emperor Scott added is important too: the whole health care system is in trouble right now.

Personally, I'd like to see a more market-based solution, or things like charity developing more and being encouraged in Atlasia. This would make our individuals stronger, more compassionate and self-reliant

I'm so sick of this empty suit argument by conservatives on nearly every, single issue... sick of it!

More "compassionate and self-reliant"... which carries on the nonsense that the right spins that people are on welfare or use public systems because they just don't "want it enough" or don't have the right "work-ethic". The answer to society's ills is NOT to hope the afflicted can rely on the good-will of the better off. There's a reason why social insurance exists, because it works.

Apologies that your thread copped it, but I needed to vent it.

I agree with you completely, Polnut. The entire reason to provide social services to people is that they are services that the majority of the population would simply have no interest in providing on their own.  It is the duty of the government to defend the little people - people who do not have the loudest voice, or unlimited cash flows, but are simply trying to live happy, productive, and fulfilling lives.  These people are so insignificant to the vast apparatus of corporatist greed that they must have the government on their side

[Prince of Salem]

#thatmomentwhenconservativesfindoutatlasialookslikewhatamericawillin30

On a separate note, I'm not shocked to see not one conservative even try to touch this. This, JoMCaR, will tell you how scared conservatives in this game are to discuss their own positions.

You guys shouldn't leave him hanging, especially when 14 of you are hiding behind the poll!

Well, I AM shocked ^^'

I would love to see the argument from the other side for why we shouldn't pay for these surgeries, is it only the cost that some of you are against?

In my case, mostly yes. As much as I do consider mental health a key public issue, and I see sex change as an important and courageous decision, I don't think it justifies the costs that were published. And what Emperor Scott added is important too: the whole health care system is in trouble right now.

Personally, I'd like to see a more market-based solution, or things like charity developing more and being encouraged in Atlasia. This would make our individuals stronger, more compassionate and self-reliant

I'm so sick of this empty suit argument by conservatives on nearly every, single issue... sick of it!

More "compassionate and self-reliant"... which carries on the nonsense that the right spins that people are on welfare or use public systems because they just don't "want it enough" or don't have the right "work-ethic". The answer to society's ills is NOT to hope the afflicted can rely on the good-will of the better off. There's a reason why social insurance exists, because it works.

Apologies that your thread copped it, but I needed to vent it.

Well... does social insurance work? I'm putting the text that can show the opposite in bold. It's not like I think that people on welfare aren't working enough, I've heard that argument, and I disagree with it. But government-provided social insurance has its limits. And here in Atlasia, it seems these limits have been reached and passed. How much can we afford as a society without the good-will of us individuals? That's the problem here. Are we to continue to put our future in the shoulders of our bureaucracy, or are we giving a hand too?

[Senator Cris]

No.

[Dr. Cynic]

Hell No.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

That's why it's called social insurance, it's something almost everyone contributes to through taxation and that everyone is entitled to draw-on should it be necessary. Like any other kind of insurance, there is a pool, but not everyone will receive what they put in.

And yes, on almost all metrics, it does work. The issue Scott is talking about does not mean it doesn't 'work' it just requires more effort - no major policy initiative gets it right immediately, reform, re-structure to make it work best. It's too important than to throw your hands in the air, make some platitudinal statements about 'individuals' and push the burden onto already over-stretched charities.

[Hifly]

I don't think I would; I'd be interested to see how much it is costing.

Even Iran allows sex changes on government expense.