SENATE BILL: The Let Us Have More Teachers Act (Law'd)

[TNF]

Who develops/developed the test? If it's anyone other than teachers themselves, it out to be repealed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am pretty sure that is an organization of teachers that composes the tests.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I am ready for a final vote.

[windjammer]

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2. A Section 5 shall be added to F.L. 52-12 to read:

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A final vote is now open. Please senators, vote AYE, NAY or Abstain.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

AYE

[bore]

Aye

[President Tyrion]

Nay

[TNF]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Reluctant Aye but we shall need to revisit this again soon to fix the other issues that were brought up.

[Goldwater]

AYE

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I was watching a documetnary about the paratroopers in World War two and it talked about the weeding out effect of the training and the high percentage of people who volunteered but washed out because the couldn't make the cut. No one doubts the rigor of such training in relation to the task, but I doubt they wrote on a piece of paper X% will be denied, but rather the standards were raised to such an extent with the expectation that such a high proportion wouldn't make it through.

Of course there are numerous differences, most of all was motivation. Teaching requires sufficient passion and sufficient reward to push people to work through the difficulties. We need to weight also the number of teachers against the quality of such and just putting someone in a classroom isn't going to deliver the goods if they lack the skill to deliver and certainly the kids are no better off.

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2. A Section 5 shall be added to F.L. 52-12 to read:

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Aye (5): Senator shua, Senator bore, Senator TNF, Senator North Carolina Yankee, Senator Goldwater
Nay (1): Senator Tyrion
Abstain (1): Senator Alfred F Jones
Non Voting (3): Senator DC, Senator Griffin, Senator Lumine

This bill passes.
I, Windjammer, certify these results are accurate.

[windjammer]

This bill is now sent to the President.

[DemPGH]

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X DemPGH, President

If we're going to insist on this sort of thing (I would love to completely re-invent teacher training from the floor up to make it more like the university way), this is pretty good for at least the time being. I support more of a hard score or raw score than saying that the bottom 25% automatically fail. When you have a pass / fail system based on a bottom percentile failing, you could take the test one time and make the cut and the next time not make the cut. I prefer a pass / fail where the bar doesn't move. we can talk about where the bar should be, though.

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X DemPGH, President

If we're going to insist on this sort of thing (I would love to completely re-invent teacher training from the floor up to make it more like the university way), this is pretty good for at least the time being. I support more of a hard score or raw score than saying that the bottom 25% automatically fail. When you have a pass / fail system based on a bottom percentile failing, you could take the test one time and make the cut and the next time not make the cut. I prefer a pass / fail where the bar doesn't move. we can talk about where the bar should be, though.

You're really quick DemPGH

[President Tyrion]

If the bar doesn't move, how is that any less arbitrary?

Essentially, you're putting extreme faith in your test writers that the test will be consistent and of equal difficulty every time. That's not to say such a guideline is inherently worse, but it doesn't strike me as "better" either.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

It seems the President is mistaken on one thing - the current tests, I assume, still ue a raw score, just one that the writers have calculated will be too high for 25% of applicants. It's not automatically failing 25%, it's jutst supposed to using spherical teachers in a vacuum.

[Deus Naturae]

It seems the President is mistaken on one thing - the current tests, I assume, still ue a raw score, just one that the writers have calculated will be too high for 25% of applicants. It's not automatically failing 25%, it's jutst supposed to using spherical teachers in a vacuum.

But why does the score always have to be too high for 25% of applicants? Why always assume that only 75% is qualified?

[DemPGH]

You can't design a test to admit a certain percentage of takers. But even if you could, 75% seems awfully arbitrary. The way this would work is you list all the scores of the test takers and then convert them to a percentile. The highest score or scores would be the 99th percentile and on down. The lowest 25% would be deemed to have failed. So, you could get the same score twice, fail once, and pass the second time. I don't think that's particularly fair. It's simpler and fairer to debate and select a raw score cut-off, and call that the passing score. Just my view of it.

[President Tyrion]

You can't design a test to admit a certain percentage of takers. But even if you could, 75% seems awfully arbitrary. The way this would work is you list all the scores of the test takers and then convert them to a percentile. The highest score or scores would be the 99th percentile and on down. The lowest 25% would be deemed to have failed. So, you could get the same score twice, fail once, and pass the second time. I don't think that's particularly fair. It's simpler and fairer to debate and select a raw score cut-off, and call that the passing score. Just my view of it.

Right, but that same score would be on different tests. Performance relative to one's peers is the important indicator.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I thank the Senate for passing this, and the President for signing it.