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« on: June 26, 2014, 02:55:57 PM »

... the losing candidate wins the bellwethers Ohio, Florida, New Mexico and Nevada.
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 03:22:01 PM »



Hillary Clinton / Martin O’Malley: 313
Jeb Bush / Susana Martinez :     225
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 03:33:07 PM »



Chris Christie / Kelly Ayotte:            270
Brian Schweitzer / Dennis Kucinich: 268
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 03:39:01 PM »

New Mexico isn't a bellwether state
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 03:46:33 PM »

New Mexico isn't a bellwether state

In terms of popular vote, it is:

If you go by popular vote, New Mexico went with the winner in the past 9 elections
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2014, 04:13:59 PM »

No offense to OP, but in 2016 I don't think it would be plausible for either party to win all four states listed and still lose nationally.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 04:15:45 PM »

It certainly has the longest correct popular vote steak, because, before 2012, it was a highly competitive swing state, but now, it's a Safe D state
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 04:26:34 PM »

No offense to OP, but in 2016 I don't think it would be plausible for either party to win all four states listed and still lose nationally.

I think so, too. Especially the Republican map was extremely hard to create.
If, however, two of the four states are the GOP's candidates' home states, my scenarios will become not completely unlikely.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 04:35:08 PM »

No offense to OP, but in 2016 I don't think it would be plausible for either party to win all four states listed and still lose nationally.

I think so, too. Especially the Republican map was extremely hard to create.
If, however, two of the four states are the GOP's candidates' home states, my scenarios will become not completely unlikely.

Yes, that is very true.

Also, having a Brian Sandoval/Susana Martinez ticket might make the Republican map more likely.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 05:29:44 PM »

No offense to OP, but in 2016 I don't think it would be plausible for either party to win all four states listed and still lose nationally.

I think so, too. Especially the Republican map was extremely hard to create.
If, however, two of the four states are the GOP's candidates' home states, my scenarios will become not completely unlikely.

Yes, that is very true.

Also, having a Brian Sandoval/Susana Martinez ticket might make the Republican map more likely.

However ... I can't see how a Republican can win Florida without a Bush on the ticket.
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 06:05:18 PM »

Kerry/Gore firewall except for NM, and winning AZ and CO for 272-266.
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 06:54:06 PM »

Kerry/Gore firewall except for NM, and winning AZ and CO for 272-266.

Presumably, the sort of Republican candidate able to win New Mexico and Nevada would not be the sort of Republican candidate to make Arizona vulnerable.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 06:56:37 PM »

New Mexico isn't a bellwether state

In terms of popular vote, it is:

If you go by popular vote, New Mexico went with the winner in the past 9 elections

New Mexico was Barack Obama's 15th-best state (not counting DC) in 2012 and his 16th-best state in 2008. Barack Obama is not Hispanic, and not Catholic.

Republicans now win Minnesota in a Presidential election before they win New Mexico. Republicans have not won Minnesota in a Presidential election since 1972.

New Mexico is about as D as Indiana is R.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 07:18:30 PM »
« Edited: June 26, 2014, 07:22:59 PM by NHLiberal »

Kerry/Gore firewall except for NM, and winning AZ and CO for 272-266.

Presumably, the sort of Republican candidate able to win New Mexico and Nevada would not be the sort of Republican candidate to make Arizona vulnerable.

And the kind of Republican who could win New Mexico and Nevada would be especially strongly positioned for Colorado. Let's not get bogged down in the math and forget about the characteristics of the states. Virginia and North Carolina would make more sense as the Democratic additions. They'd probably get Iowa as well, but would not need to.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2014, 07:44:38 PM »

No offense to OP, but in 2016 I don't think it would be plausible for either party to win all four states listed and still lose nationally.

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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 08:37:11 PM »

I've added a poll.
Both maps I created seem pretty much to be the only realistic scenarios.
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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 09:56:00 PM »

The second map is totally ridiculous.
The first map might have been plausible 20 years ago, but not a chance today.
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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 10:01:41 PM »



Jay Nixon/Kristin Gillibrand  275
Susanna Martinez/Rob Portman 263
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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 11:44:49 PM »

No offense to OP, but in 2016 I don't think it would be plausible for either party to win all four states listed and still lose nationally.

I think so, too. Especially the Republican map was extremely hard to create.
If, however, two of the four states are the GOP's candidates' home states, my scenarios will become not completely unlikely.

Yes, that is very true.

Also, having a Brian Sandoval/Susana Martinez ticket might make the Republican map more likely.

However ... I can't see how a Republican can win Florida without a Bush on the ticket.

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2014, 02:06:57 PM »

GOP:




DEM:

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