SENATE BILL: Fair Hiring Act of 2014 (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: TNF

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Talk to me TNF, what is this?

[TNF]

This is a bill to give workers the opportunity to negotiate over hiring practices in collective bargaining agreements. These are still fairly common in some of the skilled trades, but they used to be employed even in industrial settings, which is something I would like to see brought back, and expanded. This bill does not require every employer to adopt a hiring hall, it only explicitly makes possible a hiring hall as something that can be negotiated for as part of a collective bargaining agreement.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

So the union would decide who gets hired by the company?

[DemPGH]

The way I think a hiring hall works is the onus is on the union to find qualified people who can and will do the work required (as well as fit in well), and then the union sends them on to the manager or boss or hiring committee as the last stop. That's how I understand it anyway, so it's like a two-part process. TNF can correct me if I'm wrong. I've actually not seen that, but I have seen members of staff on hiring committees, and generally staff approval is sought before the final decision is made to hire the person. It works, in my experience, because staffers know what the job actually entails from a hands-on perspective.  

[President Tyrion]

Wait, so are we giving workers the unilateral option to create this hiring hall environment, or is this implied to be part of a CBA?

[TNF]

So the union would decide who gets hired by the company?

Assuming that the union negotiated for and won a hiring hall in the process of collective bargaining, yes.

Wait, so are we giving workers the unilateral option to create this hiring hall environment, or is this implied to be part of a CBA?

Implied to be a part of the CBA. Not every industry will have a hiring hall; this just ensures that all workers have the opportunity to bargain for one.

[Prince of Salem]

I don't think this is such a bad idea, but I would amend it ^^ Would any Senator be so kind to sponsor this?

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sure, I'll offer it for you.

[Prince of Salem]

Sure, I'll offer it for you.

Thank you Senator ^^ We'll have to wait until TNF comes back, right?

[Deus Naturae]

The way Section 1 is worded is a bit confusing. To be clear, this would require all employers who have a collective bargaining agreement with a union for any reason, to automatically accept the establishment of a hiring hall, even if said agreement says nothing about that?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The way Section 1 is worded is a bit confusing. To be clear, this would require all employers who have a collective bargaining agreement with a union for any reason, to automatically accept the establishment of a hiring hall, even if said agreement says nothing about that?

No, it would not. It would simply allow the union to make that part of the agreement.

[Deus Naturae]

The way Section 1 is worded is a bit confusing. To be clear, this would require all employers who have a collective bargaining agreement with a union for any reason, to automatically accept the establishment of a hiring hall, even if said agreement says nothing about that?

No, it would not. It would simply allow the union to make that part of the agreement.

That isn't the way it's worded though. Plus, why do you need a law to do that? Isn't it already legal for unions to try and negotiate an agreement that establishes a hiring hall?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The way Section 1 is worded is a bit confusing. To be clear, this would require all employers who have a collective bargaining agreement with a union for any reason, to automatically accept the establishment of a hiring hall, even if said agreement says nothing about that?

That does seem to be the way it is worded.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Yeah, all of this is redundant. No one can discriminate against anyone anyway, we don't need new legislation to reaffirm that.

[President Tyrion]

Yeah, all of this is redundant. No one can discriminate against anyone anyway, we don't need new legislation to reaffirm that.

No, but a hiring hall essentially farms the hiring process out to the union.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What is the benefit of unions deciding who gets hired?

[Prince of Salem]

The way Section 1 is worded is a bit confusing. To be clear, this would require all employers who have a collective bargaining agreement with a union for any reason, to automatically accept the establishment of a hiring hall, even if said agreement says nothing about that?

No, it would not. It would simply allow the union to make that part of the agreement.

That isn't the way it's worded though. Plus, why do you need a law to do that? Isn't it already legal for unions to try and negotiate an agreement that establishes a hiring hall?

It is legal for them to negotiate it, but that's not a guarantee that they'll get what they want from the negotiation. That's the point of the bill... I think. Hope I've helped. If not, ask TNF when he comes back ^^

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Windjammer, since amendment votes are only three days maximum now, if you feel it appropriate to proceed, you can open a vote on Amendment 61:74. It has been on the floor for 24 hours and in the absence of friendly designation by the bill sponsor it can just be considered as hostile and a vote proceeded with.

I recall TNF said today or tomorrow he would return.

[windjammer]

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Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: A Vote is now open on the underlying legislation, SEnators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[President Tyrion]

What is the benefit of unions deciding who gets hired?

The idea is that the union has a better idea of the vocation than management, and thus can efficiently assign the best worker to the position.

Naturally, management has a say in allowing this to happen, so it's a pretty fair deal. The CBA is a mutual agreement, after all.

[President Tyrion]

Abstain

I'm not sure I really mind the amendment, I'm not sure why the amendment is necessary, and I'm not sure I really know why TNF objected.

[Deus Naturae]

What is the benefit of unions deciding who gets hired?

The idea is that the union has a better idea of the vocation than management, and thus can efficiently assign the best worker to the position.

Naturally, management has a say in allowing this to happen, so it's a pretty fair deal. The CBA is a mutual agreement, after all.

The CBA may be a mutual agreement, but under the current text, the mere fact of having a CBA would require the establishment of a hiring hall (at the request of the union), even if the CBA said nothing about that.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[President Tyrion]

What is the benefit of unions deciding who gets hired?

The idea is that the union has a better idea of the vocation than management, and thus can efficiently assign the best worker to the position.

Naturally, management has a say in allowing this to happen, so it's a pretty fair deal. The CBA is a mutual agreement, after all.

The CBA may be a mutual agreement, but under the current text, the mere fact of having a CBA would require the establishment of a hiring hall (at the request of the union), even if the CBA said nothing about that.

I'll propose an amendment after the vote.