Hide yo' wife, hide yo' kids - they kidnappin' errebody!

[MalaspinaGold]

The Forward's J.J. Goldberg has an excellent article on how this whole mess is at least partly Netanyahu's fault.

http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/

The article focuses on how 1) The government implemented a gag order on the news of the deaths of the three teens (which they learned of the day after the abduction), and 2) immediately denouncing this as a Hamas operation and a result of Hamas-Fatah unity. In fact, the Hamas in Hebron is generally independent from Hamas in Gaza. Both of these dangerously inflamed right wing sentiment, so that when the bodies were finally found, Netanyahu found himself between a rock and a hard place with respect to his Jewish Home ministers.

[Cory]

Whenever I think our house is run by mad men I can always look at the American one and relax, there are worse. Obama's ineptitude in restraining Aipac. is a mockery.

Now can the administration start brokering a ceasefire? too many people already died.

Anyone and everyone who brings up that issue is labeled as a an "anti-Semite". A coalition of Jewish and Christian Zionists have taken over American foreign policy discourse on this issue, but God help you if you mention it. They are one of those groups you "aren't allowed" to disagree with. It's pathetic. And they have the gall to wonder why so many people think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to control American foreign policy. It's one of those things where it's like "Well, yeah kinda".

Obviously most American Jews are rather liberal on this issue but you can see where the narrative comes from.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

Whenever I think our house is run by mad men I can always look at the American one and relax, there are worse. Obama's ineptitude in restraining Aipac. is a mockery.

Now can the administration start brokering a ceasefire? too many people already died.

Anyone and everyone who brings up that issue is labeled as a an "anti-Semite". A coalition of Jewish and Christian Zionists have taken over American foreign policy discourse on this issue, but God help you if you mention it. They are one of those groups you "aren't allowed" to disagree with. It's pathetic. And they have the gall to wonder why so many people think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to control American foreign policy. It's one of those things where it's like "Well, yeah kinda".

Obviously most American Jews are rather liberal on this issue but you can see where the narrative comes from.

But most of the hardcore Zionists are Christian, rather than Jewish.

[Indy Texas]

The Forward's J.J. Goldberg has an excellent article on how this whole mess is at least partly Netanyahu's fault.

http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/

The article focuses on how 1) The government implemented a gag order on the news of the deaths of the three teens (which they learned of the day after the abduction), and 2) immediately denouncing this as a Hamas operation and a result of Hamas-Fatah unity. In fact, the Hamas in Hebron is generally independent from Hamas in Gaza. Both of these dangerously inflamed right wing sentiment, so that when the bodies were finally found, Netanyahu found himself between a rock and a hard place with respect to his Jewish Home ministers.

There are also rumors abound that the Israeli authorities on some level may have deliberately forsaken an opportunity to rescue the victims because having them end up dead would provide an excuse to demolish some Palestinian houses while having them alive and held hostage would possibly have ended in a prisoner swap they really didn't want to do. Supposedly one of the teens called the police and managed to stay on the phone long enough to trace the call, but whatever police department it was did not attempt to pursue their location and didn't take any further action until their parents actually reported them missing.

[dead0man]

wow.....

Anyway, the Iron Dome has been awesome.  I think even the anti-Zionist can agree this is a very good thing.

[dead0man]

Egypt and (probably) Qatar put together an initial draft of a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas, Hamas says no.

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They ain't done yet.  That don't have a blown up apartment building to show the world yet.  They've tried using old pictures and videos from Syria, but that's stupid and was quickly shown to be the bull sh**t it was.  I'm not sure why they try that tactic still....I guess it works on certain gullible segments in the west and the broader Muslim world that only see what they want to see or are happy to be lied to if the lie reinforces their world view.

[Cory]

But most of the hardcore Zionists are Christian, rather than Jewish.

Of most certainly, I know many of them. The irony being that most American Jews are actually much more liberal on the issue then Conservative Christians.

[dead0man]

oh that reminds me

Anyway, the Iron Dome has been awesome.  I think even the anti-Zionist can agree this is a very good thing.

obviously the full on bigots aren't going to like the Iron Dome.

[Hnv1]

The Forward's J.J. Goldberg has an excellent article on how this whole mess is at least partly Netanyahu's fault.

http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/

The article focuses on how 1) The government implemented a gag order on the news of the deaths of the three teens (which they learned of the day after the abduction), and 2) immediately denouncing this as a Hamas operation and a result of Hamas-Fatah unity. In fact, the Hamas in Hebron is generally independent from Hamas in Gaza. Both of these dangerously inflamed right wing sentiment, so that when the bodies were finally found, Netanyahu found himself between a rock and a hard place with respect to his Jewish Home ministers.

There are also rumors abound that the Israeli authorities on some level may have deliberately forsaken an opportunity to rescue the victims because having them end up dead would provide an excuse to demolish some Palestinian houses while having them alive and held hostage would possibly have ended in a prisoner swap they really didn't want to do. Supposedly one of the teens called the police and managed to stay on the phone long enough to trace the call, but whatever police department it was did not attempt to pursue their location and didn't take any further action until their parents actually reported them missing.

there could be no rescue, they were shot dead shortly after being taken (it's on tape when one of the lads called a police line)

[Hnv1]

Whenever I think our house is run by mad men I can always look at the American one and relax, there are worse. Obama's ineptitude in restraining Aipac. is a mockery.

Now can the administration start brokering a ceasefire? too many people already died.

Anyone and everyone who brings up that issue is labeled as a an "anti-Semite". A coalition of Jewish and Christian Zionists have taken over American foreign policy discourse on this issue, but God help you if you mention it. They are one of those groups you "aren't allowed" to disagree with. It's pathetic. And they have the gall to wonder why so many people think there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to control American foreign policy. It's one of those things where it's like "Well, yeah kinda".

Obviously most American Jews are rather liberal on this issue but you can see where the narrative comes from.

The president has his ability to enforce his will on foreign policy, and considering most of the Jewish and\or democratic vote is not that hard line a showdown during his tenure to assert his position and platform on a band of renegades who cause more damage here than there would have been the way to go.

He was elected as a left-wing hope on  foreign policy as well (even here we had such high hopes of suddenly having an American president with the guts to do what's right) but through his tenure he proved to be frail. Kerry as SoS improved the American foreign policy act from the dire Hillary years, but still Obama's 8 years will be remembered as a failure in the foreign field and especially in the ME theatre.

[Velasco]

I agree pretty much on what's posted above. The sad thing is that civilians always pay these foreign policy fiascos, no matter if we talk of Gaza, Tel-Aviv, Damascus or Baghdad. Pitiful.

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

[ingemann]

So this is a suggestion that we should start treat Israel like any other middle eastern tin pot dictatorship, well I don't see a problem with that.

[dead0man]

woosh?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is beginning.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The question of "why doesn't Obama restrain AIPAC" boils down to "He tried in 2010. He became the first President to ever lose a PR battle with a foreign country".

Also, I have sigs turned off, so I missed the repugnant cartoon by raging anti-semite Carlos Latuff in Snowstalker's sig. That really says it all.

Hoping this latest round of shooting will end soon. Nothing will change in this situation in the long run, and then ideally the hysterics will die down.

[MaxQue]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

And besides, the Christian Zionists are just as big if not a bigger influence in US support for Israel, for their own purposes.

AIPAC is mainly Jews supporting Israel, and the focus on it - especially any talks of how it should be "cracked down on" makes me uneasy.

[Horus]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

And besides, the Christian Zionists are just as big if not a bigger influence in US support for Israel, for their own purposes.

AIPAC is mainly Jews supporting Israel, and the focus on it - especially any talks of how it should be "cracked down on" makes me uneasy.

So because it is mainly "Jews supporting Israel" it should be immune from criticism?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

And besides, the Christian Zionists are just as big if not a bigger influence in US support for Israel, for their own purposes.

AIPAC is mainly Jews supporting Israel, and the focus on it - especially any talks of how it should be "cracked down on" makes me uneasy.

So because it is mainly "Jews supporting Israel" it should be immune from criticism?

Of course. Remember the concentration camps, goy!

[Horus]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

And besides, the Christian Zionists are just as big if not a bigger influence in US support for Israel, for their own purposes.

AIPAC is mainly Jews supporting Israel, and the focus on it - especially any talks of how it should be "cracked down on" makes me uneasy.

So because it is mainly "Jews supporting Israel" it should be immune from criticism?

Of course. Remember the concentration camps, goy!

As was stated a month or two ago, our friend Ray seems to live his life in eternal fear of the goyim.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The defenders of democracy take out another terrorist hotbed!

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

And besides, the Christian Zionists are just as big if not a bigger influence in US support for Israel, for their own purposes.

AIPAC is mainly Jews supporting Israel, and the focus on it - especially any talks of how it should be "cracked down on" makes me uneasy.

So because it is mainly "Jews supporting Israel" it should be immune from criticism?

They certainly don't deserve more scrutiny or "Crackdown" than any other advocacy group in the United States. The overemphasis as them as "power brokers" while the Christian zionists get less attention is a bit disturbing.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Because they're the strongest single lobby for a foreign country's interests in the United States?

[Horus]

AIPAC isn't that bad. They are more moderate than the Canada's foreign affairs minister, which more or less said than wanting a cease-fire is supporting terrorists. (Not than it's surprising, there a common saying than he is "Israel First, Canada Second", which is wierd considering he has no link with Israel.)

And besides, the Christian Zionists are just as big if not a bigger influence in US support for Israel, for their own purposes.

AIPAC is mainly Jews supporting Israel, and the focus on it - especially any talks of how it should be "cracked down on" makes me uneasy.

So because it is mainly "Jews supporting Israel" it should be immune from criticism?

They certainly don't deserve more scrutiny or "Crackdown" than any other advocacy group in the United States. The overemphasis as them as "power brokers" while the Christian zionists get less attention is a bit disturbing.

CUFI isn't as powerful, though. There may be far more Christian Zionists than Jewish Zionists in America, but Jewish Zionists still have the "loudest voice" so to speak.