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Conservatives who call every policy they don't like socialist
 
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Liberals who call themselves socialist because they think it means supporting any government action
 
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« on: July 07, 2014, 10:23:43 PM »

Huh
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 10:24:55 PM »

Do you have any example of the latter?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2014, 11:15:53 PM »

Option 1 because option 2 is a direct result of it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2014, 11:17:13 PM »

Obama doesn't claim to be a socialist, though plenty of his supporters do, because they support public roads.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2014, 11:21:09 PM »

Obama doesn't claim to be a socialist, though plenty of his supporters do, because they support public roads.

Again, care to make a precise example? Because I don't think I've ever met any such people.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2014, 11:38:15 PM »

Option 1. 

Honestly, don't think I've ever encountered option 2.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 11:55:10 PM »

Option 1. 

Honestly, don't think I've ever encountered option 2.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 09:15:39 AM »

Obama doesn't claim to be a socialist, though plenty of his supporters do, because they support public roads.

Again, care to make a precise example? Because I don't think I've ever met any such people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2014, 09:23:32 AM »

They are basically two sides of the same irritating coin. We can't just declare that anything a government does is socialism - was Ancient Egypt a socialist state because the Pharaohs built pyramids?
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2014, 03:59:57 PM »

Obama doesn't claim to be a socialist, though plenty of his supporters do, because they support public roads.

Again, care to make a precise example? Because I don't think I've ever met any such people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America



Is this sarcastic? It's far too ridiculous to be serious.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2014, 04:07:52 PM »
« Edited: July 08, 2014, 04:17:33 PM by Deus Naturae »

Obama doesn't claim to be a socialist, though plenty of his supporters do, because they support public roads.

Again, care to make a precise example? Because I don't think I've ever met any such people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America
Using that article's logic, giving money to oil companies and weapons contractors are forms of socialism because they're taxpayer-funded. You don't seriously agree with that, do you?

Edit: LOL sorry, somehow I didn't see what you were responding to.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2014, 04:12:35 PM »

Both are terrible, but anyone who is not explicitly a socialist could cry socialism and remain true to their ideology while crying “socialism.” On the other hand, you have people like Phwezer.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2014, 07:21:55 PM »

Option 1, because it makes even sensible conservatives look like ignorant buffoons.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2014, 07:31:25 PM »

Does Option 2 exist?

I've met liberals who support any action because they believe government is a morality dispensary, but I've not met anyone who gives blanket endorsements for social collectivism. Perhaps a few exist on Atlas, but they are apparitions of cyberspace.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2014, 08:16:13 PM »

This is the result of not teaching history in schools.

If we did, people would understand that the "socialist" legislative platforms of both the Republican President Roosevelt and the Democratic President Roosevelt were enacted in part to stop socialism or communism from gaining significant support in the United States.
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2014, 08:38:35 PM »

Option 1.  IndyTX has a very good point, though there are also a lot of historically savvy people who are also guilty of Option 1.  The socialist card is an old trick, dating back to the American Liberty League.

Option 2 is strange and the only thing I have heard like it is some random Harry Truman quote.
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2014, 08:59:09 PM »

This is the result of not teaching history in schools.

If we did, people would understand that the "socialist" legislative platforms of both the Republican President Roosevelt and the Democratic President Roosevelt were enacted in part to stop socialism or communism from gaining significant support in the United States.

Most of us have probably heard the arguments for socioeconomic intervention as a means of preventing poor voters from attacking the pricing and allocation functions of markets. Are those arguments still relevant?

Our entitlements and transfer payments have now institutionalized poverty for working class Americans, and FICA appears to have inadvertently shifted poverty from the elderly to the youngs. Our entitlements do indeed appear to be nothing more than buying allegiances, rather than comprehensive economic policy. Why does the pro-market motivation behind the New Deal and possibly the Great Society exonerate them from Republican criticism?

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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2014, 09:24:46 PM »

Option 2 (normal)
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2014, 05:54:23 PM »

What everyone seems to be missing is that if some people rail on that Obamacare/Social Security/public education whatever is socialism, then people who like those things will decide socialism is a good thing. After all what percentage of Americans are socialist using the Tea Party's definition? Hence any liberals or unsocialist people claiming to be is basically because of the former. If Tea Party morons want to rave about Obama being a socialist, than basically anyone who voted for him is going to view socialism in a more positive light.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2014, 08:06:10 PM »

Option 1, duh.
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2014, 09:32:55 PM »

Option 1 because it's a hell of a lot more prevalent.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2014, 10:14:26 PM »

Option 1, because it tends to prevent any real progress that could be made in this country.
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