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« on: July 08, 2014, 01:33:20 AM »

If the Rs have a good, electable ticket that runs a superb campaign, and Sanders screws up a lot, what's the worst map that could happen for the democrats?
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2014, 01:38:55 AM »

24%
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2014, 01:46:51 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2014, 08:21:14 AM »

34-36%.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2014, 08:53:15 AM »

Around 40-42%. Remember that even McGovern got 37.5%, and the country is way more polarized today than it was back then.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2014, 10:41:01 AM »



40-45% of the popular vote.
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2014, 10:55:34 AM »

I feel as though some people don't realize that a candidate's floor is the absolute minimum that the candidate is looking at considering facing a good opponent, etc. I don't know how one could put Oregon or Delaware or Connecticut in Sanders' floor here.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 01:47:56 PM »

I feel as though some people don't realize that a candidate's floor is the absolute minimum that the candidate is looking at considering facing a good opponent, etc. I don't know how one could put Oregon or Delaware or Connecticut in Sanders' floor here.

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Under what circumstances is a Republican victory in Delaware possible?
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2014, 02:27:32 PM »

I feel as though some people don't realize that a candidate's floor is the absolute minimum that the candidate is looking at considering facing a good opponent, etc. I don't know how one could put Oregon or Delaware or Connecticut in Sanders' floor here.

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Under what circumstances is a Republican victory in Delaware possible?

The one given by the OP...  Try not to let your rampant political bias affect your thinking, but a good GOP ticket combined with a bad Sanders campaign - a self-proclaimed socialist - could almost certainly result in an absolute massacre.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2014, 03:55:42 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2014, 04:26:58 PM »

I feel as though some people don't realize that a candidate's floor is the absolute minimum that the candidate is looking at considering facing a good opponent, etc. I don't know how one could put Oregon or Delaware or Connecticut in Sanders' floor here.

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Under what circumstances is a Republican victory in Delaware possible?

The one given by the OP...  Try not to let your rampant political bias affect your thinking, but a good GOP ticket combined with a bad Sanders campaign - a self-proclaimed socialist - could almost certainly result in an absolute massacre.
An absolute massacre would almost certainly still have the democratic candidate winning Delaware. Remember, Delaware is one of the most inelastic states in the country. The rest of his map is fine, but I can't really imagine a realistic scenario where any Republican wins Delaware.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2014, 04:56:01 PM »

I feel as though some people don't realize that a candidate's floor is the absolute minimum that the candidate is looking at considering facing a good opponent, etc. I don't know how one could put Oregon or Delaware or Connecticut in Sanders' floor here.

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Under what circumstances is a Republican victory in Delaware possible?
This scenario supposes that Democrats nominated a septuagenarian socialist. So if he runs a poor campaign and Republicans have a strong ticket in a favorable environment, it should be possible.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2014, 11:36:27 PM »

I feel as though some people don't realize that a candidate's floor is the absolute minimum that the candidate is looking at considering facing a good opponent, etc. I don't know how one could put Oregon or Delaware or Connecticut in Sanders' floor here.

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Under what circumstances is a Republican victory in Delaware possible?

It's not usually, but Sanders' floor is inherently smaller than other Democratic candidates. Drawing his floor supposes that he runs a poor campaign and is facing a strong Republican, and if that is the case he could turn enough voters in exurban Philly, which would also be a key to winning New Jersey.

Remember that this isn't a prediction, but rather a floor, which represents a worst case scenario for an already poor GE candidate.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2014, 12:42:34 AM »

MD, VT, DC.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2014, 06:34:36 PM »

Jesus Christ CELTICEMPIRE fix the page
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2014, 06:48:15 PM »




America is not ready for a Socialist, Conservative turnout would be around 99%, moderate Democrats would sit out the election.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2014, 07:27:45 PM »



Around 43%-45%. Sanders plays well with disillusioned Americans, but he may do bad in a general election due to his views, like Cruz. But Cruz or Sanders could be elected president if voters want them. We'll see.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2014, 09:15:03 PM »

A very liberal Democrat's floor is basically the 60% Obama 2012 states + maybe Delaware.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2014, 09:46:44 PM »


 Try not to let your rampant political bias affect your thinking,

Woah gurl
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2014, 09:54:20 PM »

America is not ready for a Socialist, Conservative turnout would be around 99%, moderate Democrats would sit out the election.

According to Republicans, we've already elected one twice. Boy who cried wolf and so forth





I think people are seriously overestimating how much wealthy yankees could be turned off by Sanders, as well as MN.
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2014, 10:13:54 PM »




America is not ready for a Socialist, Conservative turnout would be around 99%, moderate Democrats would sit out the election.


Exactly. Sanders is not a Democrat, and he is not the type to tack to the center.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2014, 10:24:20 PM »

I agree, someone who won 11% of Romney Romney voters when he ran for senate has no appeal to the center.
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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2014, 10:53:23 PM »

I agree, someone who won 11% of Romney Romney voters when he ran for senate has no appeal to the center.

Looking at the Vermont electorate to gauge the nation isn't going to work.
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2014, 11:04:23 PM »




America is not ready for a Socialist, Conservative turnout would be around 99%, moderate Democrats would sit out the election.

I'm pretty sure California, New York, and Maryland would vote for a pile of dog crap before they voted for ANY Republican president.

Also, don't most Republicans and otherwise right-leaners already see Obama as a socialist? They've certainly been screaming it from the rooftops for 6 years. I mean, it would hurt Sanders of course, but I think "the boy who cried wolf" effect will certainly kick in and make it less impactful than it otherwise would've been. Let's not forget that the base is calling people like Thad Cochran and Richard Lugar "socialists" these days.
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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2014, 11:24:58 PM »

I agree, someone who won 11% of Romney Romney voters when he ran for senate has no appeal to the center.

Looking at the Vermont electorate to gauge the nation isn't going to work.
Even in a state as (atlas) red as Vermont, winning over 11% of Republicans is no small feat, especially for someone who apparently has no crossover appeal.
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