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Velasco
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« on: July 26, 2014, 09:12:26 AM »

A horrible and simultaneously necessary organisation for the Israeli government, since the goal of the latter is to avoid the creation of a Palestinian state at all costs and Hamas terrorists are the perfect excuse to say that negotiation with Palestinians is impossible and, at the same time, Hamas divides the Palestinian side and contributes to the discredit and marginalisation of the hapless Palestinian Authority. Therefore, the Israeli government is not interested in the complete destruction of Hamas, just in launching periodic offensives to keep terrorists on the defensive. Civilian casualties are collateral damages, obviously.
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 02:05:09 AM »
« Edited: August 01, 2014, 05:36:11 AM by Velasco »

Not sure why Israelis, citizens of an internationally-recognized country in its 7th decade, should have less right to protect themselves than colonial Americans. But yes, violence alone doesn't make one a terrorist: that would be violence deliberately targeting civilians to create fear and influence policy. In this case, it's hard to believe the rocket attacks are done but for any reason besides provoking retaliatory attacks that kill Palestinians and create political pressure on Israel. In short, in the past, Hamas's political tool was dead Israelis. In the current conflict, it's dead Palestinians: self-terrorism with help from Israel.

It's not that I agree with TNF on Hamas but, in which book is written that "the right to protect themselves" justify state terrorism? Because a democratic and "internationally-recognized" state is supposed to fight terrorism by 'legal' and 'proportionate' means, instead of bombing hospitals or killing kids while they play football on a beach. Such retaliations are not only criminal and obscene, they do nothing to protect the citizens of Israel from Hamas rockets. Talking of 'human shields' in this context is nothing but a macabre joke. It's possible that you are right in saying that Hamas provokes retaliatory attacks in its own benefit, but it's hard to believe that the same retaliation is nothing but another 'political tool'. I don't understand how some people can call on others to condemn Hamas when, on the other hand, justify the Israeli government in the name of the right to 'self-defense'.

Violence is only justified if the person you are fighting against will not respond dialogue/non-violent action. I believe the Israelis would respond to dialogue/non-violent action. There's no way to know though because the Palestinians have never tried it.

Are you joking? It was tried in the 90's and worked until those extremists settlers assassinated Rabin.

It sounds like a joke, indeed.
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Velasco
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 02:34:11 PM »

There is an argument to be made from Hamas's perspective that because most Israelis are either settlers or direct descendants of settlers that have been accomplices in pushing out Arabs, that they are not civilians in the same way that citizens of other countries are.  I do not agree with this viewpoint for the record, but it is their viewpoint.

There is a resemblance with this other argument made by a certain Thane Rosenbaum in the Wall Street Journal:

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The terrorist organisation is obviously Hamas and Rosenbaum is a fanatic supporter of the Israeli government. But wait, read the following quote by Osama Bin Laden on 9-11 attacks:

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/thane_rosenbaum_s_wall_street_journal_op_ed_this_new_york_university_professor.html

As you can see, everyone is guilty: Israelis, Gazans and Americans. At least you say you don't share the viewpoint of Hamas. Can you justify it?
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