Opinion of Planned Parenthood

[AggregateDemand]

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Planned Parenthood spares society the indignity of abortion because liberals are perfectly content to let the lower-classes languish in perpetual unemployment.

[Storebought]

I had a favorable view of Planned Parenthood even when I was still a right-winger: in an ideal world, Planned Parenthood wouldn't exist, since their services, including pregnancy termination, would be performed in any outpatient clinic. But this world isn't ideal, and PP has its place in it, as much as silly people may pretend otherwise. It is telling, though, that few non-profits have "stepped-up" to provide the range of reproductive and general health services as PP without abortion clouding the issue.

As for the results of the poll, it's not surprising that an organization concerned above all else with the reproductive concerns of mostly poor young women will not arouse much sympathy on a mostly upper class, virtually all-male forum.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

It says a lot about the demographics here that there is an overall HO rating.

Eh, this is a very left-libertarian forum.

There's also a fair number of misogynists here and people who aren't necessarily concerned with things that don't affect them.

[Flake]

It's a freedom organization. They provide affordable mammograms to women, they help parents make their decisions about family, and they are one of the few reputable places that allow women to choose if they want a child or not.

It's pretty sad when so many people here think it's a terrible place.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yup, it definitely shows that this forum is 99.95% male.

[Gass3268]

Massive FO

[Mechaman]

It says a lot about the demographics here that there is an overall HO rating.

Eh, this is a very left-libertarian forum.

There's also a fair number of misogynists here and people who aren't necessarily concerned with things that don't affect them.

As a misogynist who voted FF, I'm insulted by your comparison.
How would it not affect men if women are forced to carry to term?  You think that many women are just going to forget that the father exists or not expect him to at least provide financial assistance?
That's why I love Planned Parenthood.  They do it for me.

[Knives]

FO.

In this world abortions are a necessary evil.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Pretty sure PP doesn't do that. Besides, isn't abortion only a very small section of their services?

What kind of argument is that?

To the pro lifer, killing babies is one of their services. It hardly matters what else they do.

What a cute baby!

A life is still a life.  The fact remains that once an egg is fertilized, it is considered a life.  Cells are considered living as well. 
Think about it logically: if a baby is alive when it's born, then how is it not alive before then?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

[bedstuy]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

You need a prescription for birth control. 

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

You need a prescription for birth control. 

Yes, but can you still not get it at Walgreens?

[bedstuy]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

You need a prescription for birth control. 

Yes, but can you still not get it at Walgreens?

Maybe if the Walgreens has a Planned Parenthood or a doctor's office inside of it.  Can you at least agree that counselling people about birth control, providing women's health services and STD screening/education are useful services? 

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

You need a prescription for birth control. 

Yes, but can you still not get it at Walgreens?

Maybe if the Walgreens has a Planned Parenthood or a doctor's office inside of it.  Can you at least agree that counselling people about birth control, providing women's health services and STD screening/education are useful services? 

Of course, and Planned Parenthood isn't the only organization that provides them. They do, however, have the biggest lobbying ability of these organizations and thus receive a good deal of public funding.

And a simple google search will confirm that you can get most forms of birth control pills from Walgreens with a prescription.

[bedstuy]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

You need a prescription for birth control. 

Yes, but can you still not get it at Walgreens?

Maybe if the Walgreens has a Planned Parenthood or a doctor's office inside of it.  Can you at least agree that counselling people about birth control, providing women's health services and STD screening/education are useful services? 

Of course, and Planned Parenthood isn't the only organization that provides them. They do, however, have the biggest lobbying ability of these organizations and thus receive a good deal of public funding.

And a simple google search will confirm that you can get most forms of birth control pills from Walgreens with a prescription.

I can't get most forms of birth control because I'm not a lady and thus no doctor would write me a prescription.  Right?  The point is that women are getting education, counselling and prescriptions for birth control from Planned Parenthood.  The prescription is a necessary step.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

They get paid to murder. All else pales in light of that single fact.

I think I am becoming a lot more pro life than I once was, though I have never liked taxpayer funding for abortion, so HO.  Also, abortion is a huge part of PP.  Why else would their political activism be so focused on that issue?

There is no Federal funding for abortion as per the Hyde Amendment.  Whatever federal funding Planned Parenthood gets is not for abortions. 

True, but where is that federal funding being used? Is it being used to keep clinics open and staff on the payrolls so the organization can take privately donated money that would otherwise be spent on administrative costs and use it to fund, among other things, abortion? I'd love to see a graph detailing their exact spending.

What about all the abortions that Planned Parenthood prevents though?  Providing regular birth control and emergency contraception prevents many abortions from ever happening in the first place.

Walgreens also sells contraception and doesn't supply abortions, so I don't quite see how PP can have a net positive because of that.

You need a prescription for birth control. 

Yes, but can you still not get it at Walgreens?

Maybe if the Walgreens has a Planned Parenthood or a doctor's office inside of it.  Can you at least agree that counselling people about birth control, providing women's health services and STD screening/education are useful services? 

Of course, and Planned Parenthood isn't the only organization that provides them. They do, however, have the biggest lobbying ability of these organizations and thus receive a good deal of public funding.

And a simple google search will confirm that you can get most forms of birth control pills from Walgreens with a prescription.

I can't get most forms of birth control because I'm not a lady and thus no doctor would write me a prescription.  Right?  The point is that women are getting education, counselling and prescriptions for birth control from Planned Parenthood.  The prescription is a necessary step.

Planned Parenthood isn't the only place that will give such advice, though. A doctor could give these prescriptions. Several women's organizations provide advice and education on the use of contraception.

Planned Parenthood also gives free breast cancer screenings. They do a lot of good things, I won't deny that. But as long as they also perform abortions, they shouldn't be receiving federal funding. Even if that money is not spent on abortion, it still indirectly aids the organization to perform them.

[TNF]

FO.

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

[Hifly]

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

I bet that this position is incredibly popular in Kentucky.

[SWE]

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

I bet that this position is incredibly popular in Kentucky.

TNF isn't running for any office in Kentucky to my knowledge.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Pretty sure PP doesn't do that. Besides, isn't abortion only a very small section of their services?

What kind of argument is that?

To the pro lifer, killing babies is one of their services. It hardly matters what else they do.

What a cute baby!

A life is still a life.  The fact remains that once an egg is fertilized, it is considered a life.  Cells are considered living as well. 
Think about it logically: if a baby is alive when it's born, then how is it not alive before then?

A lot of people would disagree with you here. Cells are living, true, but that doesn't make it a human being. Now this is turning into a debate over "when a human life begins".


Back to the OP: Freedom Organization. Yeah, the person who founded it way back when had some sick, twisted beliefs, but that is entirely irrelevant to how PP helps people in the year 2014.

[bedstuy]

Planned Parenthood also gives free breast cancer screenings. They do a lot of good things, I won't deny that. But as long as they also perform abortions, they shouldn't be receiving federal funding. Even if that money is not spent on abortion, it still indirectly aids the organization to perform them.

All I've got to say is that you could see how the contraception side of their mission cuts down on the abortions because it cuts down on unintended pregnancy.  I also don't think this idea of approving everything your money indirectly supports is really something you could consistently maintain.  If you're a part of the economy, you're indirectly involved with everything, whether you like it or not.  

FO.

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

That's taking things way too far.  I'm pro-choice, but abortion post-viability unless it's about the life of the Mother, is tantamount to murder.  I hope no doctor would ever agree to such an abortion.

[Antonio the Sixth]

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

I bet that this position is incredibly popular in Kentucky.

I'm worried, you seem genuinely obsessed with Kentucky.

[Oakvale]

Freedom Organisation (not a misogynist or weird religious crank). I was originally baffled by the narrow poll results but then I remembered that we have a lot of red avatars who hate women a little bit.

e: TNF is correct as usual on these issues -

FO.

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

[TNF]

FO.

All abortions should be free of charge and available on demand, at any stage of pregnancy.

That's taking things way too far.  I'm pro-choice, but abortion post-viability unless it's about the life of the Mother, is tantamount to murder.  I hope no doctor would ever agree to such an abortion.

A woman's right to choose an abortion is more important than your right to deny her that choice on the basis of the "viability" of the fetus outside the womb. "Viability" is an entirely subjective measure as is. Assuming that a fetus is "viable," outside the womb also assumes that there is someone present to take care of it post-birth, because, let's not kid ourselves (no pun intended) - no one is actually "viable" on their own post-birth for quite some time. This idea that we must deny women the right to an abortion on the basis of the "viability" is part of this weird, generalized cult of life that assumes that all life is equally worth preserving and all life is equally worthwhile. It is not. In this case, the life of the living, breathing, viable woman carrying the nonviable fetus is far more important and should be given far more consideration.

[Hifly]

Pretty sure PP doesn't do that. Besides, isn't abortion only a very small section of their services?

What kind of argument is that?

To the pro lifer, killing babies is one of their services. It hardly matters what else they do.

What a cute baby!

A life is still a life.  The fact remains that once an egg is fertilized, it is considered a life.  Cells are considered living as well. 
Think about it logically: if a baby is alive when it's born, then how is it not alive before then?

A lot of people would disagree with you here. Cells are living, true, but that doesn't make it a human being. Now this is turning into a debate over "when a human life begins".


Back to the OP: Freedom Organization. Yeah, the person who founded it way back when had some sick, twisted beliefs, but that is entirely irrelevant to how PP helps people in the year 2014.

You arn't doing a STEM subject at University are you?