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« on: July 15, 2014, 06:08:50 PM »

Newt for the win.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 06:09:47 PM »

Newt was a far more competent political operator.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 06:13:29 PM »

Shot to the head
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 06:47:24 PM »

Newt.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 06:57:46 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 06:58:55 PM »

Why?
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 11:28:18 PM »

Boehnor is at least a decent human being.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2014, 07:21:08 AM »

Boehner is at least a half-decent human being.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2014, 09:08:15 AM »

The incompetent little Boehner.
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 09:10:16 AM »

The one who's not a philandering sociopath, I guess.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2014, 01:06:08 PM »


And less charismatic and competent to boot.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 01:35:14 PM »

I'm not sure why Gingrich is considered a masterful political operator. Ok, so the Republicans won back the House in 1994 after forty years. But I don't see why it would have been particularly difficult for another GOPer to do that, especially given the cack-handed performance of the early Clinton administration. I mean, the 1994 Republican Revolution was basically Gingrich's only success. Following that, he helped instigate a government shutdown which severely weakened the standing of the Republican party with the American public, whilst simultaneously boosting Clinton's credibility with them. Following that, he embarked upon a disastrous effort to impeach the President which spectacularly backfired upon the GOP, leading to them actually losing House seats in an election that should have seen them fatten their majority. He was also the target of an attempted coup by his own party members, and following the 1998 election he was effectively booted out of the office of Speaker, again by his own party. Basically, he achieved success in 1994, only for it to turn to dust within the next four years, largely as a consequence of his overreaching himself.

By contrast, whilst Boehner is hardly a master strategist, at least he hasn't managed to single-handedly boost the credibility of the incumbent President (that was largely the work of members of his caucus), and hasn't been booted out of the speakership by his own party.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2014, 01:53:01 PM »

I'm not sure why Gingrich is considered a masterful political operator. Ok, so the Republicans won back the House in 1994 after forty years. But I don't see why it would have been particularly difficult for another GOPer to do that, especially given the cack-handed performance of the early Clinton administration. I mean, the 1994 Republican Revolution was basically Gingrich's only success. Following that, he helped instigate a government shutdown which severely weakened the standing of the Republican party with the American public, whilst simultaneously boosting Clinton's credibility with them. Following that, he embarked upon a disastrous effort to impeach the President which spectacularly backfired upon the GOP, leading to them actually losing House seats in an election that should have seen them fatten their majority. He was also the target of an attempted coup by his own party members, and following the 1998 election he was effectively booted out of the office of Speaker, again by his own party. Basically, he achieved success in 1994, only for it to turn to dust within the next four years, largely as a consequence of his overreaching himself.

By contrast, whilst Boehner is hardly a master strategist, at least he hasn't managed to single-handedly boost the credibility of the incumbent President (that was largely the work of members of his caucus), and hasn't been booted out of the speakership by his own party.

Yeah, basically this.  It shouldn't even be a contest between the two. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2014, 03:45:41 PM »

Newt actually has legislative accomplishments. Boehner has none.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2014, 06:43:18 PM »

Boehner by far.  The Newt Gingrich of today is an entirely different politician from the Newt Gingrich of the Clinton years.  (Funny how he was able to compromise with Democrats as House speaker but is so adamantly against compromise now.)
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2020, 10:02:57 PM »

gingrich
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2020, 11:23:04 PM »

The guy who tried to reign in the crazies > the guy who started the craziness.
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2020, 12:53:08 AM »

John Boehner, easily
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2020, 01:25:00 AM »

John Boehner easily, and I don't even like him
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2020, 01:32:17 AM »

Newt, Boehner is the worst House Speaker in history and lead to Pelosi Congress after 8 yrs of R Speakership of trying to undo Obamacare
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