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« Reply #525 on: August 29, 2014, 06:31:15 PM »

In terms of civilian deaths and level of violation of international law and the laws of war, Israel is objectively far worse than Hamas.
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« Reply #526 on: August 29, 2014, 10:59:20 PM »

In terms of civilian deaths and level of violation of international law and the laws of war, Israel is objectively far worse than Hamas.

I wouldn't go quite that far.  Unlike Hamas, Israel has made some efforts to mitigate the effects of what they do, just not enough to actually prevent killing more civilians than is justified under the circumstances.
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« Reply #527 on: August 30, 2014, 12:03:16 AM »

Outcome ultimately matters more than intent.
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« Reply #528 on: August 30, 2014, 12:22:31 AM »

Outcome ultimately matters more than intent.
If Hamas had the same ability as Israel, then their outcome would unfortunately reflect their intent.
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« Reply #529 on: August 30, 2014, 12:37:58 AM »

Outcome ultimately matters more than intent.
If Hamas had the same ability as Israel, then their outcome would unfortunately reflect their intent.

But they don't.
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« Reply #530 on: August 30, 2014, 06:10:26 AM »

In terms of civilian deaths and level of violation of international law and the laws of war, Israel is objectively far worse than Hamas.

I wouldn't go quite that far.  Unlike Hamas, Israel has made some efforts to mitigate the effects of what they do, just not enough to actually prevent killing more civilians than is justified under the circumstances.

The whole discussion seems irrelevant. Given the outcome, arguably Israel's "efforts to mitigate what they do" are likely (unsuccessful) attempts to keep up appearances. On the other hand, it's hard to deny that Hamas targets civilians, although the attempts are largely unsuccessful. However, it's true that Hamas made concessions (albeit forced by the circumstances) to join the Palestinian unity government, which the Israeli government seeks to undermine. Ultimately, I have to agree with Snowstalker on a single point: outcome matters more than intents from both sides.
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