The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread

[Hnv1]

Something really bad happend tonight in Sajeya. From the rumours circulating- 10 soldiers died, tens to a hundred+ Palestinians died, heavy shelling of the neighbourhood (which is not a good sign).

Yesterday I was in a demo in Haifa of the left calling for a ceasefire, mass amounts of extreme right wingers came busted the demo and continued to raise hell and violence for hours.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

4: To the extent that these unicorns are out there, they're going to be found in the Islamist strain of Islam and in number 3 above.

AND it's quite prevalent on the left, especially the European left and others lefties that wish they were European leftists.  I don't know why you guys keep ignoring those specific racists.

I think there's a lot more racism from the ones who are bulldozing away entire villages to establish settlements while. Zionism is, fundamentally, racism. But for several reasons, the American media is afraid to point out this obvious fact. The amount of influence this little state has on the independent media and foreign policies of the majority of NATO is insane.

Jews and their houses of worship are being laid siege to all across Europe in "retaliation". If you're not concerned with that, then you are the problem.

Also, "Zionism is racism" is inherently hate speech. It's a bunch of white people with their own poorly defined countries saying that the only group in the world not allowed to have their own country is the one they tried to exterminate.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The speed of which threads on this subject suddenly lurch into absolute sh!t is often quite remarkable. Surely there's the rest of the internet to play with?

[dead0man]

The speed of which threads on this subject suddenly lurch into absolute sh!t is often quite remarkable. Surely there's the rest of the internet to play with?

Well, most places with a high level of discourse wouldn't let posters like Snow or TNF stick around, so this is actually a good place to get the opinion of the blind and bigoted.  Plus they have better grammer/spelling than the comments section of RT or YouTube.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But, anyway, today seems to have been really bad.

[The Mikado]

Also, "Zionism is racism" is inherently hate speech. It's a bunch of white people with their own poorly defined countries saying that the only group in the world not allowed to have their own country is the one they tried to exterminate.

As I recall, the Zionism = racism resolution at the UN back in the day was largely backed by Arab League and other Islamic countries whose leaders aren't usually considered to be white people.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

4: To the extent that these unicorns are out there, they're going to be found in the Islamist strain of Islam and in number 3 above.

AND it's quite prevalent on the left, especially the European left and others lefties that wish they were European leftists.  I don't know why you guys keep ignoring those specific racists.

I think there's a lot more racism from the ones who are bulldozing away entire villages to establish settlements while. Zionism is, fundamentally, racism. But for several reasons, the American media is afraid to point out this obvious fact. The amount of influence this little state has on the independent media and foreign policies of the majority of NATO is insane.

Jews and their houses of worship are being laid siege to all across Europe in "retaliation". If you're not concerned with that, then you are the problem.

Also, "Zionism is racism" is inherently hate speech. It's a bunch of white people with their own poorly defined countries saying that the only group in the world not allowed to have their own country is the one they tried to exterminate.

It's amazing how quickly Israel's running dogs resort to calling criticism "hate speech" or "anti-semitism". A people that consisted entirely of diaspora couldn't have formed their own country without either displacing a large amount of people or populating a completely uninhabited area (there's a reason why there were proposals to have Israel in Alaska, Siberia, and the Australian Outback).

Deadman continues to be hilarious as usual. Keep it up, buddy.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

4: To the extent that these unicorns are out there, they're going to be found in the Islamist strain of Islam and in number 3 above.

AND it's quite prevalent on the left, especially the European left and others lefties that wish they were European leftists.  I don't know why you guys keep ignoring those specific racists.

I think there's a lot more racism from the ones who are bulldozing away entire villages to establish settlements while. Zionism is, fundamentally, racism. But for several reasons, the American media is afraid to point out this obvious fact. The amount of influence this little state has on the independent media and foreign policies of the majority of NATO is insane.

Jews and their houses of worship are being laid siege to all across Europe in "retaliation". If you're not concerned with that, then you are the problem.

Also, "Zionism is racism" is inherently hate speech. It's a bunch of white people with their own poorly defined countries saying that the only group in the world not allowed to have their own country is the one they tried to exterminate.

It's amazing how quickly Israel's running dogs resort to calling criticism "hate speech" or "anti-semitism". A people that consisted entirely of diaspora couldn't have formed their own country without either displacing a large amount of people or populating a completely uninhabited area (there's a reason why there were proposals to have Israel in Alaska, Siberia, and the Australian Outback).

Deadman continues to be hilarious as usual. Keep it up, buddy.

None of those were legitimately offered. They were "on the table" and "under discussion" while the Jews remaining in Europe were being butchered in a slow-motion Holocaust by people who weren't happy about the Axis loss, or being kept in filthy refugee camps.

Also, such lovely locations. Deportation to three of the most hellish, isolated locations on Earth. Locations, that I should add, have people in them? People that would have had to be deported or pushed aside to create an independent Jewish homeland in these random locations where there never was one?

If the Jews relocated to any of those places, the natives of those locations would have suddenly become the most important people in the world to a certain element.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Also, "Zionism is racism" is inherently hate speech. It's a bunch of white people with their own poorly defined countries saying that the only group in the world not allowed to have their own country is the one they tried to exterminate.

As I recall, the Zionism = racism resolution at the UN back in the day was largely backed by Arab League and other Islamic countries whose leaders aren't usually considered to be white people.

Portugal and virtually all of Eastern Europe voted in favor of it as well, only a few decades after their had nearly exterminated the Jews of Europe. Including East Germany.

[The Mikado]

(there's a reason why there were proposals to have Israel in Alaska, Siberia, and the Australian Outback).

Before World War I, when Zionism was in its infancy, there was a hilariously imperialist suggestion to place the Jewish state in Uganda.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

(there's a reason why there were proposals to have Israel in Alaska, Siberia, and the Australian Outback).

Before World War I, when Zionism was in its infancy, there was a hilariously imperialist suggestion to place the Jewish state in Uganda.

Yeah, I can't justify that one on any moral or logical level. It's not a return, it's an invasion.

I've still heard anti-Zionists mention it in recent years, as it it was a viable option.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

None of those were legitimately offered. They were "on the table" and "under discussion" while the Jews remaining in Europe were being butchered in a slow-motion Holocaust by people who weren't happy about the Axis loss, or being kept in filthy refugee camps.

And?

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Yes, of course. They were brought up due to having fewer people that could be displaced than Palestine (or the original proposal, Uganda, which is a hilariously awful idea).

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The "element" in question being those who oppose mass displacement to make room for outside colonizers? You seem to be defining "anti-Semitic" as "someone who doesn't believe that the Palestinian nation should be forced by outside powers to bend over for Israel."

[Filuwaúrdjan]

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[Tetro Kornbluth]

Snowstalker next time I'm on the IRC and you're there I'm banning you on sight.

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[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The number of Israeli children killed vs. the number of Palestinian children killed:

[ingemann]

Indeed.  Hopefully this is the end of Hamas and peace can have a slim chance again.

Nope.  Even if Hamas is destroyed, another organization will rise to take its place.  Israeli hopes of a making the Palestinians into modern day servile Gibeonites are hopeless.  For there to be any chance of peace, Israel will need to give up its aspirations to keep the Palestinians continually under an Israeli yoke.  Not that doing so has much chance of peace either, but even a slim chance is higher than no chance.  I said higher rather than better because whether it is better depends upon how much risk one thinks Israel would take under either course.

Did I sound in my description of them like I wouldn't call them anti-semitic, if I saw them as it. Of course I just live in the same country as these people and have meet pro-Palestinian socialist from all over Europe in person, so what do I know.

[ingemann]

4: To the extent that these unicorns are out there, they're going to be found in the Islamist strain of Islam and in number 3 above.

AND it's quite prevalent on the left, especially the European left and others lefties that wish they were European leftists.  I don't know why you guys keep ignoring those specific racists.

I think there's a lot more racism from the ones who are bulldozing away entire villages to establish settlements while. Zionism is, fundamentally, racism. But for several reasons, the American media is afraid to point out this obvious fact. The amount of influence this little state has on the independent media and foreign policies of the majority of NATO is insane.

Jews and their houses of worship are being laid siege to all across Europe in "retaliation". If you're not concerned with that, then you are the problem.

I can not even take the argument seriously.

Let's take a bet about the murder rate of Jews are higher in Israel than in Europe the last ten years, even if we count anti-Jewish terrorism in Europe and not in Israel.

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Clearly it's racism that you're not allowed to ethnic cleanse native people and forcing the survivors into large ghetthos cut off from the wider world, which you regulary terrorise.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

More astounding media bias:

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

4: To the extent that these unicorns are out there, they're going to be found in the Islamist strain of Islam and in number 3 above.

AND it's quite prevalent on the left, especially the European left and others lefties that wish they were European leftists.  I don't know why you guys keep ignoring those specific racists.

I think there's a lot more racism from the ones who are bulldozing away entire villages to establish settlements while. Zionism is, fundamentally, racism. But for several reasons, the American media is afraid to point out this obvious fact. The amount of influence this little state has on the independent media and foreign policies of the majority of NATO is insane.

Jews and their houses of worship are being laid siege to all across Europe in "retaliation". If you're not concerned with that, then you are the problem.

I can not even take the argument seriously.

Regardless of the counterargument that you're actually making, this response is...kind of in poor taste. Kind of in really poor taste.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

"Jews are being targeted all across Europe"

"*world's smallest violin image*"

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses, as well as a wonderful justification of Israel's existence and its nuclear program.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

"Jews are being targeted all across Europe"

"*world's smallest violin image*"

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses, as well as a wonderful justification of Israel's existence and its nuclear program.

How do you feel about their assistance in giving South Africa the bomb?

For the record, the modern European far-right's targeting of Jews is awful, but you using it to excuse the horrors in Gaza is far more sickening.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses,

It really has.

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Honestly, I can see what you mean by this too.

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Well, er, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

"Jews are being targeted all across Europe"

"*world's smallest violin image*"

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses, as well as a wonderful justification of Israel's existence and its nuclear program.

How do you feel about their assistance in giving South Africa the bomb?

I'm definitely not a fan of that move and it was a massive mistake. I also don't think the rest of the world has the right to say anything about that, given their own far bloodier hands.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses,

I really has.

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Honestly, I can see what you mean by this too.

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Well, er, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

More as a deterrent than anything else. The sheer irrational hatred on display makes pretty clear that nothing less than the threat of mutually assured destruction is foolproof when it comes to setting Israel's existence in stone.

Ideally, that genie will never get out of the bottle again. But I'm very happy that Israel has evened the playing field to a degree.

[ingemann]

"Jews are being targeted all across Europe"

"*world's smallest violin image*"

This thread has been a fascinating exercise in the dropping of pretenses, as well as a wonderful justification of Israel's existence and its nuclear program.

How many Jews have been killed the last 10 years in Europe, I'm going to guess with your great knowledge about Europe you can answer that.

As for nuclear arms, I don't care one way or another, the whole Samson Option is a empty threat, quite useful as one, but still empty.