The Present Israel-Palestine Conflict Thread

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And this is basically what it boils down to: Two sides who equally view themselves as victims.

With good reason, of course.

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Vaguely interesting piece here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28371966

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The speed of which threads on this subject suddenly lurch into absolute sh!t is often quite remarkable. Surely there's the rest of the internet to play with?

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But, anyway, today seems to have been really bad.

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The speed of which threads on this subject suddenly lurch into absolute sh!t is often quite remarkable. Surely there's the rest of the internet to play with?

And it then proceeded to get even worse. Congratulations everyone. In a way, I suppose, the internet sometimes mirrors reality.

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Perhaps it would make sense to begin this thread again?

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How about a list of posters banned from 'contributing' to such threads?

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The trouble with achieving a quick ceasefire is that -with things having gone as far as they have - there's pressure from both populations to get something out of this, to make what's happened worth it (i.e. as well as this rejection from the Israeli government and the apparent reasons for it, we can see previous rejections from Hamas and recent statements from them, and also from Fatah et al even as well; a tying of the blockade to a ceasefire and so on). Which adds to the additional domestic factors prolonging things on both sides. Sigh.

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As to responsibility for civilian deaths, obviously the IDF is (like any military) directly responsible for any deaths they cause, even if they aren't all entirely deliberate ones (an unintended death caused by callousness or a fyck up or both is still a death). But it isn't unreasonable to suggest that Hamas has a pretty significant degree of indirect responsibility as well.

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Twelve hour truce agreed.

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The ceasefire game has started to get blackly funny.

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...and another truce.

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Oh sh!t.

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Media attention has been given to the missing soldier because of its immediate consequences (i.e. end of a three day truce almost as soon as it started) and because of its potential consequences. Israeli attitudes towards the capture of its soldiers are unusual.

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The fighting continues, but the IDF appears to be withdrawing or mostly withdrawing.

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If anything a proper and regularised Palestinian military would be in Israel's interests for several very obvious reasons.

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He is very keen to be as much of a Big Damn Hero as his late brother, yes.

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I think it would be for the best if everyone pretended that that monumentally moronic post of Snowstalker's had never been. He's just trying to cause a scene because he's a bit of a cock sometimes.

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Bad faith arguments - in any political direction! - invoking the Holocaust, particularly when they use dubious (if increasingly common, unfortunately) narratives about what happened, are are best moronic and are usually actively mendacious. I thought it better to call it out than wait until someone from the moron wing of the other side of the 'debate' turns up and the thread goes slightly short of nuclear. Of course that will probably happen anyway.

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In fairness (if that's the right word), members/supporters of the Irgun and the Lehi (particularly the latter) were often socially ostracised to an extent in the 50s and early 60s. Attitudes changed considerably in later decades, unfortunately.

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Ceasefire due to run out soon, and noises wrt its renewal don't sound exactly wonderful.

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Expected news today, but still as depressing as fyck.

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Not really in the mood for what I'm guessing is a tres graphic video at the moment; what does it show?

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Anyway, violence continues but in a notably more low-key fashion than pre-ceasefire.