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Question: Should Russia be put on the State Department's State Sponsors of Terrorism list?
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« on: July 19, 2014, 10:17:34 AM »
Yes.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2014, 10:36:12 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2014, 10:54:58 AM »
Yes, and I think that would have been appropriate even before this week.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2014, 11:13:20 AM »
No, feel-good displays that serve no practical purpose are just dumb.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2014, 12:05:11 PM »
If not because of MH17 (which I doubt was terrorism), then why?
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2014, 12:47:01 PM »
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2014, 01:19:31 PM »
Quote from: politicallefty on July 19, 2014, 10:54:58 AM
Yes, and I think that would have been appropriate even before this week.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2014, 01:26:31 PM »
No (not in favor of re-starting the Cold War)
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2014, 01:31:01 PM »
Quote from: Senator TNF on July 19, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
No Yes (not in favor of re-starting the Cold War)
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2014, 01:37:19 PM »

Why would you be in favor of re-starting the second (the first being the First World War) most pointless conflict of the 20th Century?
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2014, 01:40:20 PM »
« Edited: July 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM by asexual trans victimologist »
Quote from: NewYorkExpress on July 19, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Did you know that Anna forced two of her jesters to undergo an 'ice wedding' that almost killed them both, and that Nicholas I would pass death sentences that he never intended to carry out and then commute them to internal exile at the last minute as a form of psychological torture? In what ways were these people better than Putin? In what ways was Khrushchev worse than Putin or than them? In what ways was he worse than Brezhnev, even?
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2014, 01:42:35 PM »
If shooting down civilian airliners isn't terrorism, then I don't know what is.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2014, 01:58:08 PM »
Their is no reason to think it was not an honest mistake on the independence movement's part, and the Ukrainian nationalists have done plenty of awful stuff as well.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2014, 02:02:08 PM »
Quote from: NewYorkExpress on July 19, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Are you insane?
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2014, 03:42:08 PM »
« Edited: July 19, 2014, 05:03:01 PM by politicus »
Quote from: NewYorkExpress on July 19, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Well, Ivan the Terrible was quite, eh, terrible and you could find one or two (or maaaybe even a dozen..) other Czars that were worse than Little Vladimir. Also, while Khrushchev certainly had a lot of blood on his hands from the Stalin era, I would consider Brezhnev worse as an actual ruler.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2014, 05:28:02 PM »
No, because Russia did not shoot down the airliner and the United States is sponsoring the Syrian rebels, who are equally as bad as the rebels in the Ukraine.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2014, 06:04:29 PM »
Yes, but so should most countries, really.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2014, 07:00:44 PM »
It's a blessing that some of you will never serve in office someday.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2014, 07:19:55 PM »
Yes is actually winning?

I mean, even I voted no.
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2014, 07:32:55 PM »
I should add, by the way, that unless the government is willing to go and use force on Russia, doing this would be of zero relevance.  If something an individual or government has done isn't severe enough to warrant the use of force, then toothless ideas like this are, well, just that... toothless.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2014, 07:41:35 PM »
Quote from: A.G. Snowstalker on July 19, 2014, 06:04:29 PM
Yes, but so should most countries, really.

Especially the United States, given its sponsorship of far-right movements in Venezuela.
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2014, 09:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Senator TNF on July 19, 2014, 07:41:35 PM
Quote from: A.G. Snowstalker on July 19, 2014, 06:04:29 PM
Yes, but so should most countries, really.

Especially the United States, given its sponsorship of far-right movements in Venezuela.

The US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are probably the three most egregious "terrorist sponsors" in the world.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2014, 10:15:36 PM »
Quote from: NewYorkExpress on July 19, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Really? As far as Soviet leaders go Khrushchev wasn't half bad.
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2014, 11:25:42 PM »
Quote from: Franzl on July 19, 2014, 11:13:20 AM
No, feel-good displays that serve no practical purpose are just dumb.

This.  But encouraging regime change through covert operations and further economic isolation wouldn't hurt.
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2014, 12:08:55 AM »
Quote from: NewYorkExpress on July 19, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
Emphatic yes... And we should at least consider the idea of forcing regime change as well, as the only Russian leaders that have been worse than Putin are Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev.

Even by liberal/non-socialist standards Lenin was clearly better than Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, and Stalin.
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