Will the Obama legacy sabotage Romney's presidency?

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

With the increasingly desperate situation America finds itself in at home and abroad, it seems inevitable to me that Americans will elect a Republican in 2016, and for lack of a better alternative that Republican will be Romney. We know his pitch from 2012- basically his record as a "Mr Fixit", applied to Washington D.C.

My fear is that the fruits Obama's recklessness will only manifest themselves in full after Romney's election. I speak, primarily, of the American Dollar's  de-dollarization movement(yet another blow announce just yesterday vis-a-vis South Korea-China trade. The best case scenario is that America sees a severe decline in it's purchasing power, the worst is that a tidal wave of dollars repatriated from overseas leads to hyperinflation. As the below article explains.

This is basically inevitable, and should rightly discredit Obama. My fear is that if it detonates under his successor instead that it'll be free market conservatism that cops the blame in the eyes of the populace, despite socialist policies having been responsible.
http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/7/7/france-brazil-india-south-korea-join-russia-china-in-post-do.html

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[IceSpear]

Dude, you thought Romney would win Massachusetts in 2012. Even Dick Morris wouldn't go that far. I would permanently retire from making predictions if I were you.

[Maistre]

I could see Martin O'Malley as President in 2017 before I see Romney.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

Dude, you thought Romney would win Massachusetts in 2012. Even Dick Morris wouldn't go that far. I would permanently retire from making predictions if I were you.

He will win Massachusetts, and every other state, in 2016 if the dollar has collapsed by then. And even if it hasn't... well it's possible he won't win Massachusetts in that case, but Ohio and Florida are in the bag no matter what.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Dude, you thought Romney would win Massachusetts in 2012. Even Dick Morris wouldn't go that far. I would permanently retire from making predictions if I were you.

He will win Massachusetts, and every other state, in 2016 if the dollar has collapsed by then. And even if it hasn't... well it's possible he won't win Massachusetts in that case, but Ohio and Florida are in the bag no matter what.

Even if Romney wins Ohio and Florida, he still won't have enough electoral votes to become president.
285 to 253 D

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

You're still alive? I honestly believe there's something physically wrong with you.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

Dude, you thought Romney would win Massachusetts in 2012. Even Dick Morris wouldn't go that far. I would permanently retire from making predictions if I were you.

He will win Massachusetts, and every other state, in 2016 if the dollar has collapsed by then. And even if it hasn't... well it's possible he won't win Massachusetts in that case, but Ohio and Florida are in the bag no matter what.

Even if Romney wins Ohio and Florida, he still won't have enough electoral votes to become president.
285 to 253 D

Iowa, Virginia and Colorado are also in the bag. And probably Pennsylvania as well.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

You're still alive? I honestly believe there's something physically wrong with you.

Explain yourself.

[Yank2133]

Dude, you thought Romney would win Massachusetts in 2012. Even Dick Morris wouldn't go that far. I would permanently retire from making predictions if I were you.

He will win Massachusetts, and every other state, in 2016 if the dollar has collapsed by then. And even if it hasn't... well it's possible he won't win Massachusetts in that case, but Ohio and Florida are in the bag no matter what.

Off topic, but how many years do RW get to spout about the collapse of the US dollar? We have been hearing this sh**t for 5+ years now.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Will Mitt Romney choose Paul Ryan again? I sure would hope not.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

Dude, you thought Romney would win Massachusetts in 2012. Even Dick Morris wouldn't go that far. I would permanently retire from making predictions if I were you.

He will win Massachusetts, and every other state, in 2016 if the dollar has collapsed by then. And even if it hasn't... well it's possible he won't win Massachusetts in that case, but Ohio and Florida are in the bag no matter what.

Off topic, but how many years do RW get to spout about the collapse of the US dollar? We have been hearing this sh**t for 5+ years now.

Other countries are abandoning the US dollar, that's a fact. And no serious economist disuputes that it will have disastrous consequences for the US economy.

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Yet another Republican praying at the alter for American inflation, predicting gloom and doom for a myth that has never produced any evidence at manifesting itself.

I imagine you're a fan of Shadowstats too.

[Lief 🗽]

Is this a parody thread or???

[SteveRogers]

Isn't this the guy that admitted to being a horrendous troll immediately after the 2012 election? Is he just hoping everyone forgot?

[user12345]

Is this a parody thread or???

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Raise your hand if you thought this was a thread from 2012...

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

IIRC this guy came out as a troll. Mods please lock.

[pbrower2a]

With the increasingly desperate situation America finds itself in at home and abroad, it seems inevitable to me that Americans will elect a Republican in 2016, and for lack of a better alternative that Republican will be Romney. We know his pitch from 2012- basically his record as a "Mr Fixit", applied to Washington D.C.

My fear is that the fruits Obama's recklessness will only manifest themselves in full after Romney's election. I speak, primarily, of the American Dollar's  de-dollarization movement(yet another blow announce just yesterday vis-a-vis South Korea-China trade. The best case scenario is that America sees a severe decline in it's purchasing power, the worst is that a tidal wave of dollars repatriated from overseas leads to hyperinflation. As the (excised) article explains.

This is basically inevitable, and should rightly discredit Obama. My fear is that if it detonates under his successor instead that it'll be free market conservatism that cops the blame in the eyes of the populace, despite socialist policies having been responsible.

1. Although a two-term President rarely has a successor from his own Party, Democrats so far have a near-sure win of the Presidency in 2016 with Hillary Clinton (but so far, nobody else). Not only is she likely to win just about every state that Barack Obama won in 2012 with similar margins, she projects not to lose the states that Obama lost that year by such huge margins. I can see her winning Arizona and Georgia.

Is it too early to put the image of Hillary Clinton on a collection of images of the Presidents? Of course. That said, she has the Obama campaign apparatus practically intact and can expand the map.

2. Romney ran on an alleged record as a moderate, yet he broke clearly to the Right. He has been exposed for his business ethics. He has been shown a flaming narcissist. He got caught saying one thing in one place and its diametric opposite elsewhere.

It is possible to win the Presidency after losing one Presidential election, as did Richard Nixon. But with Nixon it was after a catastrophic failure of the R nominee in the next election and a very troubled D President.  The last two Presidential nominees to run for the Presidency in the general-election year following a failure were Adlai Stevenson and Tom Dewey.    

3. South Korea warming up to China? South Korea is one of the biggest trading partners of the People's Republic of China. I suspect that China would like a Finlandized Korea -- a capitalist and democratic country that creates no problems for China. Nuclear-free with no US bases? Neutral and prosperous?

That has nothing to do with President Obama, and everything to do with an unreliable client state, North Korea. North Korean leadership has murdered pro-Beijing figures. South Koreans who cozy up to the PRC have nothing to fear from their government. China has a big problem with refugees from North Korea, which is an economic drain and an unreliable ally.

One of the most likely wars is between the PRC and North Korea. Such is not the result of the choices of President Obama. Such was so when Dubya was President.

4. Barack Obama isn't much of a socialist. He has presided over the greatest privatization of publicly-owned assets that resulted from 'receivership socialism' that Dubya made necessary. Obamacare? All in all it is likely to make the US more competitive with countries that have 'socialized medicine'. America is more capitalist now than it was in 2009.

5. Repatriated cash? It will have to buy something -- maybe American industrial assets and real estate. The stock market would soar.

6. President Obama is not at all reckless. Sneaky and secretive at times? Sure. One of his harshest critics Karl Rove says that if Barack Obama has any virtue as a politician it is that he is cautious.

7. Many of the dollars abroad are from illicit activities -- like drug trafficking. Maybe we could wipe out the money held by drug traffickers.  One suggestion is to recall all foreign-held dollars, exchanging them for new dollars only after those who present them can show that those were obtained through legitimate means. "We sold you oil" is a legitimate means of getting dollars. Money filthy with cocaine would not be so acceptable for exchange. This would also lead to the elimination of much counterfeit US currency circulating abroad.        

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

IIRC this guy came out as a troll. Mods please lock.

No.  We've made it quite clear with Update that it is not Forum policy to prevent people from making fools of themselves.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

IIRC this guy came out as a troll. Mods please lock.

No.  We've made it quite clear with Update that it is not Forum policy to prevent people from making fools of themselves.

Typical liberal. Refusing to take someone seriously doesn't make them wrong.

[GaussLaw]

The poster known as "barfbag" and "never" must have a new account.

Never Convinced does not strike me as a sock....

[Cory]

Typical liberal. Refusing to take someone seriously doesn't make them wrong.

So are you going to respond to the person who did take you seriously?

[moderatevoter]

Raise your hand if you thought this was a thread from 2012...

*Raises hand*

Also, I agree. Never does not strike me as a Barfbag's sock account.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Obama decided to become President for 8 years so that he could sabotage Romney's Presidency.

[pbrower2a]

The assumption is that Obama messes things up so badly that Romney couldn't fix it.

We had our chance to vote for Mitt Romney in 2012 to keep things from getting even worse (as right-wingers would say), and we blew it.

Maybe Barack Obama hasn't been so bad after all. After all, he has undone most of the damage (other than lost opportunities for doing right at the time) that Dubya wreaked.   

If he was a screaming narcissist in 2012, then what is he now? He's past 60, and people past 60 rarely make huge changes in behavior not associated with degradation of overall health.