1964 Presidential Election

[Antonio the Sixth]

LBJ (sane)

[Gass3268]

LBJ (sane)

[TNF]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

[SWE]

LBJ (supports civil rights)

+ Medicare and Medicaid

+Vietnam

Indeed, here is an exhaustive list of all the LBJ voters in this thread who have praised the Vietnam War:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Comicallymissingthepoint

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

You see, the guy who signed the Civil Rights Act didn't really support civil rights. But that random dude who hadn't ever accomplished anything significant certainly did.

[Rockefeller GOP]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

No one brought up the whole party, but given LBJ's history as a Senator and personal quotes, it's not outlandish whatsoever to say that he was very personally racist and pushed the CRA for political reasons...  He also got more help from the opposing party than from his own.

[Хahar 🤔]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

No one brought up the whole party, but given LBJ's history as a Senator and personal quotes, it's not outlandish whatsoever to say that he was very personally racist and pushed the CRA for political reasons...  He also got more help from the opposing party than from his own.

Why would that matter?

[Dr. Cynic]

Write in: Hubert Humphrey

None of Johnson's insanity and the same domestic benefits.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

No one brought up the whole party, but given LBJ's history as a Senator and personal quotes, it's not outlandish whatsoever to say that he was very personally racist and pushed the CRA for political reasons...  He also got more help from the opposing party than from his own.

He was born in the early 20th century somewhere in rural Texas... of course he was going to toss the n-word around and probably held a lot of prejudices. But that doesn't mean he didn't sincerely believe in civil rights. If anything, his past efforts to stall the (utterly toothless) civil rights efforts of the 1950s were dictated by political concerns, but not his 1960s positions. Embracing civil rights was far from a "historic necessity" for the Democrats in 1964, and there were many reasons why they had been so wary to do so. LBJ himself knew the price the party would pay in the South would be harsh in the long run.

[TNF]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

No, in real life, where one isn't naive enough to think that the Democratic Party, then or now, actually cares about doing anything to substantively improve the condition of African-Americans or other historically oppressed groups. Without people like DeBerry marching and demonstrating on the left, the Democrats would never have been forced into a position where they had to enact things like the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Liberals will never do the right thing on their own because they don't understand that society is about power relations.

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

You see, the guy who signed the Civil Rights Act didn't really support civil rights. But that random dude who hadn't ever accomplished anything significant certainly did.

muh great man theory of history

[Antonio the Sixth]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

You see, the guy who signed the Civil Rights Act didn't really support civil rights. But that random dude who hadn't ever accomplished anything significant certainly did.

muh great man theory of history

Uh, no, but congrats for the excellent strawmanning and dodging skills.

[TNF]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

You see, the guy who signed the Civil Rights Act didn't really support civil rights. But that random dude who hadn't ever accomplished anything significant certainly did.

muh great man theory of history

Uh, no, but congrats for the excellent strawmanning and dodging skills.

I made my case in the post above yours. Try reading it.

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[SWE]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

You see, the guy who signed the Civil Rights Act didn't really support civil rights. But that random dude who hadn't ever accomplished anything significant certainly did.

You don't think organizing mass anti-lynching protests counts as a significant accomplishment?

[BaconBacon96]

Johnson (Is not a True Leftist).

[Antonio the Sixth]

Clifton DeBerry (actually pro-Civil Rights)

Is this the magical fantasyland where Democrats are the real racists and signing the greatest expansion of rights to African-Americans in a century doesn't mean you're for civil rights?

You see, the guy who signed the Civil Rights Act didn't really support civil rights. But that random dude who hadn't ever accomplished anything significant certainly did.

muh great man theory of history

Uh, no, but congrats for the excellent strawmanning and dodging skills.

I made my case in the post above yours. Try reading it.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

That's not so much making a case as restating your position. We know you think all Democrats are evil capitalist pawns who only do good things when The People^TM rises up and forces them to. I'm not claiming that social mobilization had no impact, obviously. Civil Rights activists deserve most of the credit for the movement's successes. But the idea that Democrats just were forced to go along is just absurd. Democrats had a choice, and they made the conscious choice to embrace Civil Rights - and LBJ deserves most of the credit for that (though obviously Truman, Humphrey and Kennedy had to some extent paved the way).

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Clifton DeBerry

Yeah.