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« on: December 15, 2003, 12:05:19 pm »
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I believe Dean still has the nomination all wrapped up, regardless of Saddam's capture.
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2003, 12:19:10 pm »
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Dean has it and it's going to damage the Dems in the general.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2003, 04:12:59 pm »
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They've already invested to much into Dean to leave him now.  Besides, Dean's support comes from those who hate Bush no matter what happens.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2003, 04:34:37 pm »
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gotta say Dean.  Gephardt would be second guess though.  Others could quit now and no one would care less.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2003, 05:00:41 pm »
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They've already invested to much into Dean to leave him now.  Besides, Dean's support comes from those who hate Bush no matter what happens.

You got it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2003, 06:49:15 pm »
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Plus, at this point Dean already has the kind of inertia you'd expect a candidate not to have till after NH and Iowa. Scary as it seems, by Feb. 3 Dean may be powerful enought to sweep (yes, even SC).
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2003, 10:29:58 pm »
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I think what the media keeps focusing on--that Dean will be hurt by Saddam's capture--is based on an assumption that this is the general election Dean is in a race for here and not the Democratic primary for president.  Were this the general election, Dean would be dead and Bush would be reelected.

But it's not the general election, and thus you have the joy of Howard Dean.  When analyzing this situation, you have to ask yourself, who votes in the Democratic primary?  No other group but the hardcore Democrats, the liberal (and dominate) wing of the party.  Hardcore liberals (those that intend to vote in the primaries) love Dean--Saddam's capture hasn't changed that.  They can't keep enough of him, in fact.

And what do hardcore liberals hate more than ever?  George W. Bush.  Hardcore liberals also hate the war in Iraq.  Even though Saddan has been captured, their stance hasn't changed; "the war was wrong," "getting Saddam changes nothing--troops still die every day," "where's Osama?" "where are the WMDs?"

The capture of Saddam might even add a little more fuel to Dean's campaign.  ALL Democrats recoiled from the news of Saddam's capture.  But the hardcore liberal wing of the party, after their initial despair, will regroup and get behind Dean again even stronger than before.

Al Gore's HUGE endorsement stills stands, as do the many endorsements he has received from black leaders across the country and certain Unions.  Saddam's capture has changed nothing.  You may even see Al Gore out there again actively campaigned for Dean all the way to Iowa.
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2003, 10:42:59 pm »
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Why does everyone see Dean being this hardcore extreme liberal?Huh  I think he's more moderate than Edwards or Lieberman.  Check his stance on the issues.

I think Dean will get the nomination but will lose in a landslide.  I think this will be OK.  I view Dean like Goldwater in '64: he will lose, but galvanize a party in disarray and set the foundation for a new political ideology.
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2003, 11:03:14 pm »
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He's moderate in the sense that he supports a balanced budget, which means less government spending, but also a faster end to Bush's temporary taxes. Over the long term that's a very sensible solution. Over the short term it won't be popular.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2003, 01:10:30 am »

gotta say Dean.  Gephardt would be second guess though.  Others could quit now and no one would care less.
I wouldn't say noone. I don't like Dean. I don't trust him. He's Nixonesque. I prefer Clark or Edwards.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2003, 05:52:51 am »
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I really like Dean, but I agree, I think it's doubtful he can win in 2004. I think he will do well in the Nth Est, even very well, but will be in trouble everywhere else, except perhaps California, DC and Hawaii!
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2003, 07:58:07 am »

I really like Dean, but I agree, I think it's doubtful he can win in 2004. I think he will do well in the Nth Est, even very well, but will be in trouble everywhere else, except perhaps California, DC and Hawaii!
Well, if he gets California, he'll win the election more than likely.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2003, 10:02:09 am »
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Why if he wins Cali will he wint he election?? Gore didn't.  Bush doesn't need Cali to win.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2003, 10:04:06 am »
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Why is Dean seen as a liberal, someone asked.

Wants tax increases on EVERYONE!

Supports Civil Unions, even signing it into law

Is ANTI WAR

Wants more regulations on Business

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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2003, 10:05:35 am »
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For all the clark supporters an honest question.  How does he get the nomination what state does he break through in?  Are other candidates knocked out first, such as Gephardt in IA and kerry in NH, would that be better or worse for Clark.

Ask this all over and no Clark supporters ever give an answer.
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2003, 12:26:12 pm »
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The big thing about Clark is that no one knows where he stands on anything.  His campaign has failed to get any kind of message out, and it isn't that they haven't had the time.

At first he was for the war, then he was against, then he was for, then against, and now he's somewhere in between.

And jravnsbo is right.  What state does he make his big breakthrough in?  Dean is currently leading in ALL early states save Missouri, which obviously Gephardt is leading, and Oklahoma for Lieberman. (Though it is quite possible that Dean knocks both of those candidates out of those states by winning Iowa and N.H.)

From the polls I've seen, the first primary that Clark is leading is California, which doesn't have it's primary until March 2.  But by March 2, Dean will have won almost every state prior to California and will be seen as the nominee.  That will be more than enough to push Dean ahead in the first state Clark is leading.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2003, 04:19:45 pm »
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For all the clark supporters an honest question.  How does he get the nomination what state does he break through in?  Are other candidates knocked out first, such as Gephardt in IA and kerry in NH, would that be better or worse for Clark.

Ask this all over and no Clark supporters ever give an answer.

Does anyone even support Clark on this forum?
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2003, 04:51:58 pm »
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He got 3 votes, so I thought I would ask.
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2003, 09:10:24 pm »
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He got 3 votes, so I thought I would ask.

This thread is about who you THINK will win. Not WANT. So when those 3 people voted for Wesley Clark, non of their personal feelings should have went into their decision to vote for him.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2003, 12:16:39 am »
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Thought I'd ask as I said I ask in other forums and no Clark supporters have a clue.  They just try ot change the subject.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2003, 03:41:56 pm »

He got 3 votes, so I thought I would ask.

This thread is about who you THINK will win. Not WANT. So when those 3 people voted for Wesley Clark, non of their personal feelings should have went into their decision to vote for him.
O.K., but I did vote for who I think will ultimately win the Nomination. It just so happens that I also want Clark to. Republicans would be shaking in their Cowboy Boots then!
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2003, 03:49:53 pm »
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No shaking here.  Economy is coming up, situation is getting better in IRaq.  Bush is getting legislation passed that he promised.  Bush is also keeping the base happy with Judges and PBA.  

Bush is definately on the upswing.  And Clark still, STILL hasn't made a lot of his positions known on domestic issues, he just always changes the subject to foriegn policy.  I know that is his strength, but come on.
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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2003, 10:12:50 pm »
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I think Howard Dean is going to win the nomination and he pretty much has it locked up. I think that Dean is bad for the party and will hurt it nationally. I'm a strong Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) supporter and even though he probably won't win I'm still all for him. NJ FOR KERRY!
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2003, 12:06:15 am »
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Kerry will be gone after NH.  He is doing very poorly int eh Feb 3 contests and got outflanked ont eh left by Dean.  The liberal base did not like his stand ont he war.  

Should be a fun convention iN Boston, MAss.  Kerry's home state and a big party for Dean.

I do agree Dean will hurt the Dem party and swing them HARD LEFT.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2003, 01:32:11 am »
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I do agree Dean will hurt the Dem party and swing them HARD LEFT.

I hope that doesn't happen. I HOPE that if Dean were nominated, he would settle down more in the center.

This country may one day elect a liberal Democrat, but not anytime soon, especially after 9/11.
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