If the mighty Hillary doesn't run.

[Free Bird]

Not sure if I did this before, but let's do it again, anyway. Every Democrat on this forum is convinced and dreaming that Hillary Clinton will run in 2016. I do not, and when I say that, I always get mocked. So, I ask you this. If she doesn't run, who will be your go-to person for the nomination who can even dream of winning? That is my theory. You all fear for your White House survival because you don't have anyone else who can hope to win in a year of what I think will be Democratic fatigue. Who else do you have? Biden would be chewed up and spit out even if he is an okay debater, Sanders is too radical, Schweitzer and Manchin are too moderate (let's not forget about the gaydar, friends), Howard "Pyaaah" Dean is old news, and who gives a crap about Jim Webb? And no, Warren and Gillibrand said they're not running, either, so get it out of your heads. So who will it be if your precious Hillary doesn't run?

[Free Bird]

Schweitzer and Manchin are too moderate  

And no, Warren and Gillibrand said they're not running, either, so get it out of your heads.

That's because she believes Hillary will run and is endorsing her. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that Gillibrand wouldn't run if Hillary takes a pass; in fact, I'd handicap her chances of running in that scenario as greater than 50%

Okay. What do I not get? They are Blue Dogs to the core.

[Free Bird]

He also cut taxes, supports the death penalty, strict drug penalties, etc. He is far from a hardcore liberal, at least. Moderate liberal is my diagnosis, but still too moderate for the Obama Democrats.

[Free Bird]

Not sure if I did this before, but let's do it again, anyway. Every Democrat on this forum is convinced and dreaming that Hillary Clinton will run in 2016. I do not, and when I say that, I always get mocked.

This is just Republican wishful thinking.

Then what is it called when Democrats are clamoring for Clinton? And I forgot about Warner and I guess Shaheen. Might even vote for them.

[Free Bird]

A year ago I was convinced Hillary wouldn't run, but now I'm pretty sure she will. I don't want her to, because I really want Kirsten Gillibrand to run, but I guess I'll have to go for Schweitzer, Sanders or Dean.

Well if she does she does. We talked earlier and said that one of us will be eating our words. Just as your gut tells you she will, mine says she won't.

[Free Bird]

Not sure if I did this before, but let's do it again, anyway. Every Democrat on this forum is convinced and dreaming that Hillary Clinton will run in 2016. I do not, and when I say that, I always get mocked.

This is just Republican wishful thinking.

Then what is it called when Democrats are clamoring for Clinton? And I forgot about Warner and I guess Shaheen. Might even vote for them.

Paying attention to politics?

No, it's begging for your chances of the White House to survive. This isn't a thread to be sarcastic, it is to speculate. Do that or get out with your wet dreams of Clinton.

[Free Bird]

He also cut taxes, supports the death penalty, strict drug penalties, etc. He is far from a hardcore liberal, at least. Moderate liberal is my diagnosis, but still too moderate for the Obama Democrats.

No...you still aren't getting it. On the whole, Schweitzer is far to the left of Obama, Clinton, and their constituencies. He just appears as a gun-toting red stater because that's his image. To classify him as a blue dog is lazy; look beyond the surface

Explain this http://www.ontheissues.org/Brian_Schweitzer.htm it came off as moderate to me

[Free Bird]

Biden runs, and wins the nomination.

grandpa Biden is not going to win the nomination

Uncle Joe is going to win the nomination if Hillary opts not to run.  The last time the incumbent VP lost his party's Presidential nomination was 1948. 

And the last time a Secretary of State won his/her party's nomination was 1884. Not relevant.

The point is if she doesn't run, in my opinion he is the frontrunner by default.

[Free Bird]

Not sure if I did this before, but let's do it again, anyway. Every Democrat on this forum is convinced and dreaming that Hillary Clinton will run in 2016. I do not, and when I say that, I always get mocked.

This is just Republican wishful thinking.

Then what is it called when Democrats are clamoring for Clinton? And I forgot about Warner and I guess Shaheen. Might even vote for them.

Paying attention to politics?

No, it's begging for your chances of the White House to survive. This isn't a thread to be sarcastic, it is to speculate. Do that or get out with your wet dreams of Clinton.

Anyone who's ever seen any of my posts knows that I despise Hillary, so no, I'm not posting my "wet dreams of Hillary Clinton."  The difference here is that I haven't been under  a rock for the past year and have acknowledged that a Hilary run is all but certain. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just wishful thinking.

My gut feeling just tells me she won't. Age is a factor, health rumors might have some weight, and she is morally reprehensible. Her and Bill also seem content with their new amount of free time. I don't think she will give that up, especially with a grandchild on the way.

[Free Bird]

He also cut taxes, supports the death penalty, strict drug penalties, etc. He is far from a hardcore liberal, at least. Moderate liberal is my diagnosis, but still too moderate for the Obama Democrats.

No...you still aren't getting it. On the whole, Schweitzer is far to the left of Obama, Clinton, and their constituencies. He just appears as a gun-toting red stater because that's his image. To classify him as a blue dog is lazy; look beyond the surface

Explain this http://www.ontheissues.org/Brian_Schweitzer.htm it came off as moderate to me

...Clearly no argument will steer you away from your bizarre and inaccurate insistence that Brian Schweitzer is a moderate, so I'm going to stop now. If you really think that someone who supports single-payer health care, supports medicare for all, routinely lambasts corporate influence on government, dismisses Obama and Clinton as corporate shills and war hawks, opposes big drug companies, wants to return to trust busting, opposes the military industrial complex and drone strikes, called on a withdrawal from Afghanistan DURING the troop surge and opposes the oil wars, opposes the PATRIOT Act & REAL ID, supports fair trade, and wants to expand collective bargaining is to the right of Obama and Clinton just because he opposes some forms of gun control, supports Keystone XL, and wears a bolo tie, then your conception of political ideologies is clearly warped and not worth arguing against. Political ideology is not 1-dimensional.

And you're too caught up in your own world to have ANY type of discussion about beliefs if they don't match perfectly to what you think. I admit I have some weird ideas and my biases, but at least I listen and some times admit the other side has a point.

[Free Bird]

A year ago I was convinced Hillary wouldn't run, but now I'm pretty sure she will. I don't want her to, because I really want Kirsten Gillibrand to run, but I guess I'll have to go for Schweitzer, Sanders or Dean.

Well if she does she does. We talked earlier and said that one of us will be eating our words. Just as your gut tells you she will, mine says she won't.

I think you're confusing him with me.

Well this is embarrassing. I saw a red Pennsylvania and a Tom Wolf sign. -_-

[Free Bird]

Ridiculous poll options.

Yup, since the obvious choices aren't even options.

Crap I completely forgot about O'Malley

[Free Bird]

Just made a new poll

[Free Bird]

Also, any particular reason the poll question asks for the "Democrat frontrunner" rather than the "Democratic frontrunner"?

Republicans are obsessed with using "Democrat" where "Democratic" would work better for some bizarre reason.

I know. It's a degrading smear tactic and I sought to call him out on it.

Now we're just grasping for straws. It's a term, not an insult, Mr. Ventura