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Rise of ISIL/the Islamic State
 
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Shootdown of MH17/Russians in Ukraine
 
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Israeli invasion of Gaza
 
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West African ebola outbreak
 
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« on: July 23, 2014, 02:41:02 PM »

Option 4, by far.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 02:49:53 PM »

Option 2.  While Option 4 is quite bad, I don't see where a continuing outbreak would be able to occur in the US as we're not culturally wedded to burial practices that have contributed to the long-lasting nature of the West African outbreak.  Option 2 has a very low, but non-zero risk of spiraling US-Russian relations back into Cold War II: The Wrath of Putin
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 03:11:48 PM »

Option 2.  While Option 4 is quite bad, I don't see where a continuing outbreak would be able to occur in the US as we're not culturally wedded to burial practices that have contributed to the long-lasting nature of the West African outbreak.

That seems like a convenient scapegoat. While burial practices have certainly contributed to the spread of the disease, in late June/early June, it was reported that the World Health Organization identified three main causes of the epidemic. Cultural practices was one, but the other two were dense populations and cross-border trade. The US certainly has dense populations and a lot of cross-border movement.

Furthermore, some of the behavioral problems seen in West Africa today are not cultural but rational.

(a) people are afraid to seek out health from health workers. This is rational because health workers cannot cure or even substantially ameliorate the disease; going to a treatment center only increases the chances that you will be infected, whereas a person merely showing symptoms might not be infected at all. There is nothing culturally specific about this problem. This is the main behavioral problem, because the primary means of fighting ebola today is isolation and containment. Yet when people do not seek out health workers, they cannot be isolated and potential transmission chains cannot be tracked down.

(b) health workers themselves refusing to treat the sick. This is rational because of the high level of contagiousness of the disease. There are not enough biohazard level 4 labs around the world to send all the sick to these places.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2014, 03:31:20 PM »

None of the above.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 04:52:21 PM »


Yeah, this.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 05:36:37 PM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 05:38:17 PM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?
The only way ISIS will be a threat to us is if we bomb them, which we have refrained from doing so far.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 05:41:39 PM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?
The only way ISIS will be a threat to us is if we bomb them, which we have refrained from doing so far.
We still have bases all over the Middle East...you think they're happy about that fact?
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2014, 07:14:21 AM »

Option 2, for the reasons given by Ernest.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2014, 12:34:40 PM »

Option one no contest.

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2014, 03:58:56 PM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?
The only way ISIS will be a threat to us is if we bomb them, which we have refrained from doing so far.
We still have bases all over the Middle East...you think they're happy about that fact?
We should get rid of them for that reason.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2014, 06:47:40 PM »

All are rather concerning, but I would say:

Proxy war with a nuclear power>radical Islamist group amassing power in the Middle East>another flare-up in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict>contagious disease
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2014, 06:56:22 PM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?

The difference between ISIS and Osama bin Laden is that the FBI has not (yet) trained ISIS.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2014, 07:58:44 PM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?

The difference between ISIS and Osama bin Laden is that the FBI has not (yet) trained ISIS.
You're thinking of the CIA, not the FBI. The CIA is responsible for training plenty of ISIS terrorists. And, even if they weren't, why wouldn't they be enraged by the same things that motivated 9/11 (US military occupation and blind support of Israel)?
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2014, 09:42:37 PM »

Ebola is a very contagious disease, if you come into contact with it you can get infected, even if you butcher an animal with the disease or come into contact of a dead person who had the disease when they were alive, you can get infected. It's usually in rural areas, but it's spread to dozens of towns and cities across western Africa. The symptoms are red eyes and a skin rash, it's very difficult to tell from other diseases since those are very common signs of other diseases, over 1000 people have gotten the disease and nearly 90% of the time, a person who gets infected with the disease dies. It's just a matter of time before someone infected with the disease gets on an airplane and spreads it to other people. This disease is very deadly and I think a lot of you are underestimating how fast it can spread.
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2014, 10:37:02 PM »

Ebola is a very contagious disease, if you come into contact with it you can get infected, even if you butcher an animal with the disease or come into contact of a dead person who had the disease when they were alive, you can get infected. It's usually in rural areas, but it's spread to dozens of towns and cities across western Africa. The symptoms are red eyes and a skin rash, it's very difficult to tell from other diseases since those are very common signs of other diseases, over 1000 people have gotten the disease and nearly 90% of the time, a person who gets infected with the disease dies. It's just a matter of time before someone infected with the disease gets on an airplane and spreads it to other people. This disease is very deadly and I think a lot of you are underestimating how fast it can spread.

Thank you. Finally someone else here gets it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2014, 08:38:04 AM »

Um...what? How are a Jihadist state and an event that will incite Jihadists not dangerous to the US? Remember Osama's stated reasons for attacking the US?

The difference between ISIS and Osama bin Laden is that the FBI has not (yet) trained ISIS.

There are so many things wrong in this post.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2014, 09:46:12 AM »

Rise of ISIL/the Islamic State.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2014, 05:37:43 PM »

Ebola poses a legitimate threat, the others only do if we provoke them.
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