MT-Sen: John Walsh out, Amanda Curtis in

[RogueBeaver]

NYT says "at least" 25% was copied without attribution.

[Miles]

As you'd expect, krazen was all over this.

[H. Ross Peron]

This is why Schweitzer should have run

[RogueBeaver]

One of the plagiarized academics: I'm surprised Walsh wasn't caught sooner.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

A nonstory.

Why aren't they going after Rand Paul for plagiarizing stuff?

[Maxwell]

A nonstory.

Why aren't they going after Rand Paul for plagiarizing stuff?

They did. Walsh's plagiarism is far far worse than anything Paul did.

I don't think people care about plagiarism that much, but this is still pretty toxic considering if he got caught right when he wrote it, he would be in a much different place than the U.S. Senate.

[International Brotherhood of Bernard]

Damn, and right as it looked like he might be making a comeback...

[Bandit3 the Worker]

The New York Times just jumped the shark with this hit piece.

[SWE]

Back in 2007, Schweizer convinced Walsh to plagiarize this as part of his plot to ensure the Republicans would win the Montana Senate seat

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

How did it take so long for someone to notice this? It literally takes about two weeks max for people to charge someone with plagiarism here.

[RogueBeaver]

The War College punishment is having your plaque sandblasted, dunno about other stuff. Paper's 14 pages.

[politicus]

The War College punishment is having your plaque sandblasted, dunno about other stuff. Paper's 14 pages.

A Master thesis on 14 pages? Ridiculous.

[RogueBeaver]

^ More like a required final paper, apparently.

Graphically (H/T Jennifer Duffy).

[Matty]

Will this hurt him in the polls?

[nolesfan2011]

Walsh is a pretty awful candidate, Dems should have nominated Bollinger, they made a mistake anointing Walsh, he's going to crash and burn and they are going to lose this seat. Bollinger would have won

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Walsh is a pretty awful candidate, Dems should have nominated Bollinger, they made a mistake anointing Walsh, he's going to crash and burn and they are going to lose this seat. Bollinger would have won

Daines would've absolutely wiped the floor with Bollinger.  Walsh was definitely a far stronger candidate than Bollinger before the palgerism came out.  He probably still is tbh, although this is definitely not good.  Ultimately, I think what will hurt Walsh more is that his response is basically that it happened because he had PTSD (true or not, it reminds me of when Bob Nye tried to blame his scandal on alcoholism). 

[windjammer]

Who cares about plagiarism?

Montana isn't Germany.
Seriously, that will last 1week, and after, nothing more.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Who cares about plagiarism?

Montana isn't Germany.
Seriously, that will last 1week, and after, nothing more.

No, it is getting play and Walsh bungled his response.  This is probably fatal although I will wait for polling confirmation.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Also, the master's thesis only had to be 14 pages?

This is not to denigrate John Walsh, but I had to write longer papers than that when I was in 6th grade. And I'm not exaggerating.

Sounds to me like he was attending a big diploma mill.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Who cares about plagiarism?

Montana isn't Germany.
Seriously, that will last 1week, and after, nothing more.

No, it is getting play and Walsh bungled his response.  This is probably fatal although I will wait for polling confirmation.

Why did the NYT have to look into this?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Who cares about plagiarism?

Montana isn't Germany.
Seriously, that will last 1week, and after, nothing more.

No, it is getting play and Walsh bungled his response.  This is probably fatal although I will wait for polling confirmation.

Why did the NYT have to look into this?

Because it raises legitimate questions about Walsh's judgement and character.  Walsh stole a good chunk of his thesis from someone else's work and got a diploma out of it.  I am as bummed about this as any Democrat, but the fact is that this is a legitimate (albeit boring) scandal and the New York Times was simply doing their job by reporting it.  I doubt the red avatars would be calling it a non-story if Daines were the one who did this.  Honestly, Paul (or much more likely someone on his staff) did plagiarize some stuff, but Walsh's was objectively much worse as far as such things go.  I know some of my fellow Dems don't want hear that, but we've got to be objective about these things and politics in general.  Otherwise you'll slowly lose the ability to analyze politics objectively at all and end up like the tea-party (i.e. convinced politicians would win everywhere if only they'd grow a pair and ignore everyone except the activist of your ideological stripe; and then always be shocked when candidates who only try to appeal to people like you lose).  It is a slippery slope once you start throwing objectivity out the window on even minor things in politics.

[Brewer]

Also, the master's thesis only had to be 14 pages?

This is not to denigrate John Walsh, but I had to write longer papers than that when I was in 6th grade. And I'm not exaggerating.

Sounds to me like he was attending a big diploma mill.

What the hell kind of middle school did you attend?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Also, the master's thesis only had to be 14 pages?

This is not to denigrate John Walsh, but I had to write longer papers than that when I was in 6th grade. And I'm not exaggerating.

Sounds to me like he was attending a big diploma mill.

What the hell kind of middle school did you attend?

This was in northern Kentucky in the 1980s.

Schools around here are more difficult than most places.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Who cares about plagiarism?

Montana isn't Germany.
Seriously, that will last 1week, and after, nothing more.

No, it is getting play and Walsh bungled his response.  This is probably fatal although I will wait for polling confirmation.

Why did the NYT have to look into this?

Because it raises legitimate questions about Walsh's judgement and character.  Walsh stole a good chunk of his thesis from someone else's work and got a diploma out of it.  I am as bummed about this as any Democrat, but the fact is that this is a legitimate (albeit boring) scandal and the New York Times was simply doing their job by reporting it.  I doubt the red avatars would be calling it a non-story if Daines were the one who did this.  Honestly, Paul (or much more likely someone on his staff) did plagiarize some stuff, but Walsh's was objectively much worse as far as such things go.  I know some of my fellow Dems don't want hear that, but we've got to be objective about these things and politics in general.  Otherwise you'll slowly lose the ability to analyze politics objectively at all and end up like the tea-party (i.e. convinced politicians would win everywhere if only they'd grow a pair and ignore everyone except the activist of your ideological stripe; and then always be shocked when candidates who only try to appeal to people like you lose).  It is a slippery slope once you start throwing objectivity out the window on even minor things in politics.

You're absolutely right, it's just a bummer that this had to happen when he was closing in the polls.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Rothenberg switches the rating from tilt r to lean r because of this, Sabato from lean r to likely r. I am keeping this at lean r for now though. This will hurt walsh, the question is how much?