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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« on: July 29, 2014, 10:52:59 PM »

As long as union membership is not mandated I could back this.

I've always like the Rand Formula in Canada. You don't have to join but you do have to pay. I mean, surely you can admit that free-riders are a problem in RTW jurisdictions...?
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,744
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 11:21:12 PM »

So when a union fights for and wins safer equipment for fire fighters, I suppose the boss should force non-members to wear substandard gear and put their lives in jeopardy? Not to mention the lives of the other people in that person's crew?

Obviously not.

So non-members will reap the benefits of the union without paying dues. And then everyone at work will see that they can get the same stuff for free and quit the union too. And then suddenly the union will find itself with no resources to fight for this equipment and fire fighters will have to face unnecessary risks in the line of duty. The public will be less safe.

Have you ever opted out of taxes, JCL?
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,744
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 01:31:25 PM »

Could you give some examples of the differences between the two procedures and which one is objectively superior from the perspective of the workers?

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As secondary boycotts and intermittent strikes are already legal under Atlasian law (thanks to the repeal of Taft-Hartley), I see no reason as to why we shouldn't go forward with streamlining our collective bargaining process.

Taft-Hartley will be coming back. You can bank on that.

You're not going to entertain my scenario?
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,744
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 02:31:43 PM »

So when a union fights for and wins safer equipment for fire fighters, I suppose the boss should force non-members to wear substandard gear and put their lives in jeopardy? Not to mention the lives of the other people in that person's crew?

Obviously not.

So non-members will reap the benefits of the union without paying dues. And then everyone at work will see that they can get the same stuff for free and quit the union too. And then suddenly the union will find itself with no resources to fight for this equipment and fire fighters will have to face unnecessary risks in the line of duty. The public will be less safe.

Have you ever opted out of taxes, JCL?
So, workers who choose not to pay union dues are moochers who are taking advantage of unions for free stuff, but if the unions decide to stop negotiating for this free stuff on their behalf, they become oppressed victims who are being "forced" to use lower-quality equipment?

Yes. Maybe it's okay if you were taking the risk on lower-quality equipment just for yourself, but in a field like fire fighting there's no such thing as an individual. You're put on a crew of four (it would be less if unions were not involved) and those four people rely on each other. Two-in, two-out: You send two fire fighters into a burning building and two remain outside in case something happens to the others. If even one of those people has shyte equipment, the entire crew is at risk.

I mean, it's easy to talk all this smack about unions, and I agree that they are not angels, but let's not forget that organized labour doesn't just stand for inflated wages and pouring money into politics. It's not that easy. Some conservatives like to talk in broad strokes about unions, but the intricacies matter.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,744
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 03:25:35 PM »

Anyway, I'm distracting from the current debate. I like this proposal, TNF.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,744
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 11:58:26 PM »

Hey, hey, hey. I'm not anti-union. Cheesy  I'd rather see organized labour try to combat income inequality than have the state do it with destructive redistribution schemes.
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