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« on: July 25, 2014, 10:21:38 PM »
« edited: July 25, 2014, 10:24:11 PM by Patriotic Progressive »

Around the beginning of the year, AH.com poster Noravea started this thread to discuss the ideological and political beliefs he held at the time, which can be broadly summed up in the following points:

  • Supportive of a benevolent authoritarian government over democracy, which he believes hinders progress in society
  • Socially progressive: anti-racism, anti-homophobia, anti-poverty, etc.
  • Vaguely economically leftist, understands "importance" of business leaders and material wealth but also believes workers need representation; supports "Third Position" economics and state intervention to protect worker interests
  • Calls for greater involvement of youth in government, politics and society
  • Backs cutting back on the military, returning all US overseas troops and a stronger U.N. to preserve peace and order in the world

He called it fascism, but anybody who knows anything about fascism knows the stuff about cutting back on the military and strengthening the U.N. makes that label fall flat on its face. So what label does apply?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2014, 10:29:41 PM »

Terrible.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2014, 10:51:46 PM »
« Edited: July 25, 2014, 10:53:31 PM by A.G. Snowstalker »

Clearly not fascist.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2014, 10:57:28 PM »

Confused.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2014, 11:27:50 PM »

Cogendism.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2014, 11:35:35 PM »

Generic liberal with an authoritarian and pacifist streak.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2014, 11:54:50 PM »

Generic liberal with an authoritarian and pacifist streak.

This, but an 'authoritarian streak' seems to be a bit of an understatement.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2014, 12:04:57 AM »

Stupid.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2014, 12:12:04 AM »

AH.com should stick to alternate history if this is what results.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 12:12:52 AM »

A good ideology, if taken too far.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 12:13:51 AM »

That sounds vaguely similar to some of the European right wing parties like the UKIP, but only vaguely. And note the second point of course.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 01:40:37 AM »

It is basically a kind of watered down, denationalised fascism. The first point is an obvious give away, as is the third ('not left, not right, just American' or whatever). The second point is a little more tricky; however, given that fascism was at least somewhat defined by what they saw as progress and regeneration, that could be reconciled into the fascist tent (especially if this kind of fascism was defining itself against the Church and old style capitalism, which is not unrealistic). Teh yoof also gives off a strong whiff of fascism (the Italian fascist anthem was, I believe, called 'the youth'). The last point does, to a certain extent, throw a spanner in the works of this thesis, however, I believe that there are enough defining features of fascism in this ideology for it to be called fascism (at least one of its many, many variants).
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2014, 04:49:40 AM »


I wanted to be the first to say it. Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2014, 08:12:47 PM »

postliberal neoprogressivism
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2014, 09:45:11 PM »

Leftist liberal authoritarianism/dictatorship

It really is your basic liberal beliefs, just with a powerful central figure, seems like he supports the ends justifying the means.
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2014, 09:54:59 PM »

Around the beginning of the year, AH.com poster Noravea started this thread to discuss the ideological and political beliefs he held at the time, which can be broadly summed up in the following points:

  • Supportive of a benevolent authoritarian government over democracy, which he believes hinders progress in society
  • Socially progressive: anti-racism, anti-homophobia, anti-poverty, etc.
  • Vaguely economically leftist, understands "importance" of business leaders and material wealth but also believes workers need representation; supports "Third Position" economics and state intervention to protect worker interests
  • Calls for greater involvement of youth in government, politics and society
  • Backs cutting back on the military, returning all US overseas troops and a stronger U.N. to preserve peace and order in the world

He called it fascism, but anybody who knows anything about fascism knows the stuff about cutting back on the military and strengthening the U.N. makes that label fall flat on its face. So what label does apply?

Not a very coherent or logical ideology. How is this authoritarian state going to be maintained if the military is being cut back? Why would this authoritarian government want any more power to go to the UN when the UN would more likely than not attempt to stop this government from being so authoritarian?

And what is the "glue" that's going to keep all this together? Give too much power or voice to business or to workers and they'll try to overthrow you. If you're preaching anti-racism and anti-discrimination, where is the enemy/scapegoat that you're going to try to turn the people towards if you think they might try to question your authority?
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2014, 09:55:46 PM »

Internationalist Legalism (By Legalism I mean the political philosophy of the first Chinese emperor, Qin Shi Huangdi)
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2014, 12:32:37 AM »
« Edited: July 27, 2014, 12:34:51 AM by shua »

Around the beginning of the year, AH.com poster Noravea started this thread to discuss the ideological and political beliefs he held at the time, which can be broadly summed up in the following points:

  • Supportive of a benevolent authoritarian government over democracy, which he believes hinders progress in society
  • Socially progressive: anti-racism, anti-homophobia, anti-poverty, etc.
  • Vaguely economically leftist, understands "importance" of business leaders and material wealth but also believes workers need representation; supports "Third Position" economics and state intervention to protect worker interests
  • Calls for greater involvement of youth in government, politics and society
  • Backs cutting back on the military, returning all US overseas troops and a stronger U.N. to preserve peace and order in the world

He called it fascism, but anybody who knows anything about fascism knows the stuff about cutting back on the military and strengthening the U.N. makes that label fall flat on its face. So what label does apply?

Not a very coherent or logical ideology. How is this authoritarian state going to be maintained if the military is being cut back? Why would this authoritarian government want any more power to go to the UN when the UN would more likely than not attempt to stop this government from being so authoritarian?

And what is the "glue" that's going to keep all this together? Give too much power or voice to business or to workers and they'll try to overthrow you. If you're preaching anti-racism and anti-discrimination, where is the enemy/scapegoat that you're going to try to turn the people towards if you think they might try to question your authority?

easy: you define the people who don't support the regime/program as "social reactionaries."
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014, 04:01:47 AM »

Cogendism.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 02:39:37 PM »


I think you summed it up pretty well.


I've never heard this word before, what is it?
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2014, 02:40:40 PM »

Ask Snowstalker
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2014, 03:01:44 PM »


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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2014, 03:17:31 PM »


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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2014, 04:36:13 PM »


Snowstalker's greatest work.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2014, 05:04:18 PM »


I really hope that's not his, it has neckbeard written all over it.
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