Woodrow Wilson vs. Calvin Coolidge

[Lief 🗽]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

[Rockefeller GOP]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

As a Republican, please tell me what there is to like.

[Rockefeller GOP]

MOP, yes I think there's absolutely a difference.  Just because the other party obstructed Coolidge's pro-civil rights goals does not equate him to an open segregationist...

No, Coolidge was not on the same level as an open segregationist. I guess that my point is that if someone has more in common with Wilson's approach to government than with Coolidge's, but is troubled by Wilson's racism (as any modern observer should be), it isn't necessarily worth it to vote for Coolidge on account of that one issue, given that, whatever his personal feelings, the latter did no more to improve the rights of African-Americans in real terms than Wilson did.

Fair enough.  I guess I was thinking along the lines that in a campaign between the two in some hypothetical realm, I'd find Coolidge's rhetoric on the issue appealing.

[SWE]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

As a Republican, please tell me what there is to like.

Lief is one of the most partisan Democrats on the forum. The R-GA avatar is for some series in the Elections games section or something.

[Lief 🗽]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

As a Republican, please tell me what there is to like.

Lief is one of the most partisan Democrats on the forum. The R-GA avatar is for some series in the Elections games section or something.

No, no. It's in recognition of the late, great Rev. Herman Cain.

[Dr. Liberty]

Coolidge (sane)

[GaussLaw]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

As a Republican, please tell me what there is to like.

Lief is one of the most partisan Democrats on the forum. The R-GA avatar is for some series in the Elections games section or something.

No, no. It's in recognition of the late, great Rev. Herman Cain.

I'm confused.  What is your obsession with Herman about?

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

The man who saved a continent from slavery (sane).

[Mechaman]

The man who saved a continent from slavery (sane).

Where's the Lincoln option again?

[ingemann]

The man who saved a continent from slavery (sane).

That's the biggest bunch of bull sh**t, imperial Germany was no worse than its enemies and while German victory would have resulted in a German hegemony in Europe, it was preferable to the economic chaos, illiberalism, ethnic cleansings and genocides which resulted from its and Austria's collapse.

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

Calvin Coolidge by a mile.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

The man who saved a continent from slavery (sane).

That's the biggest bunch of bull sh**t, imperial Germany was no worse than its enemies and while German victory would have resulted in a German hegemony in Europe, it was preferable to the economic chaos, illiberalism, ethnic cleansings and genocides which resulted from its and Austria's collapse.

The difference between the Germans and the Entente was that the Entente mostly kept their cruelties to non-Europeans while the Germans discriminated against everybody.

[Maistre]

I can't help but feel some affinity for Wilson because he did the world a solid by preventing the Kaiserreich from achieving hegemony. Too bad he sucked at everything else and was a genuine prick. So, probably Coolidge.

The man who saved a continent from slavery (sane).

That's the biggest bunch of bull sh**t, imperial Germany was no worse than its enemies and while German victory would have resulted in a German hegemony in Europe, it was preferable to the economic chaos, illiberalism, ethnic cleansings and genocides which resulted from its and Austria's collapse.

It's a fallacy to draw a simple line from "Versailles ---> Hitler". Imperial German hegemony would have been horrendous to nearly everyone who wasn't a German. Just look at the plans for Eastern Europe that Ludendorff was making. Europe did not need to be subjected to that to keep Hitler away from power.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

It's a fallacy to draw a simple line from "Versailles ---> Hitler". Imperial German hegemony would have been horrendous to nearly everyone who wasn't a German. Just look at the plans for Eastern Europe that Ludendorff was making. Europe did not need to be subjected to that to keep Hitler away from power.

So it was far better that Europe be subjected to Stalin?  Wilson's biggest fault in my opinion was not Versailles, but that his policies caused the war to drag out and led to the Bolshevik Revolution.  Also, I think it is a big mistake to think that once the war was over the militarists would have continued to get their way.  There is every reason to believe that Germany would have resumed its liberalization after a victorious war.

[Marokai Backbeat]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

As is the love of Coolidge, who was largely a do-nothing and is considered mediocre by most historical rankings.

[Mechaman]

The man who saved a continent from slavery (sane).

That's the biggest bunch of bull sh**t, imperial Germany was no worse than its enemies and while German victory would have resulted in a German hegemony in Europe, it was preferable to the economic chaos, illiberalism, ethnic cleansings and genocides which resulted from its and Austria's collapse.

The difference between the Germans and the Entente was that the Entente mostly kept their cruelties to non-Europeans while the Germans discriminated against everybody.

What The FInks?

And there's likely more where that came from.

[Deus Naturae]

This forum's hatred of Wilson is bizarre.

As is the love of Coolidge, who was largely a do-nothing and is considered mediocre by most historical rankings.

How was Coolidge a do-nothing? He was a very active employer of the veto pen.

And I'd greatly prefer a President who did nothing to one who implemented Wilson's policies.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Dorothy Parker on hearing the news that Coolidge was dead: 'how can they tell?'

[Horus]

Not a fan of racist anti-semites, so Coolidge.

[nolesfan2011]

Very easy choice of Coolidge for me.

Same here, but not because of Silent Cal's virtues.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This is pretty easy. Sure, Wilson had plenty of flaws, but he's responsible for a lot of progressive legislation, while Coolidge caused the Great Depression.

[Deus Naturae]

This is pretty easy. Sure Wilson had plenty of flaws, but he's responsible for a lot of progressive legislation, while Coolidge caused the Great Depression.

Mind explaining how?

[Rockefeller GOP]

This is pretty easy. Sure, Wilson had plenty of flaws, but he's responsible for a lot of progressive legislation, while Coolidge caused the Great Depression.

Yeah, all by himself!  And FDR fixed it all by himself, huh?