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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 11:35:58 PM »

No, they will evolve eventually.
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 11:56:57 PM »

How surprised. Shua misintreprets things on purpose again, to fit his agenda than social conservatives are discriminated.

They are not. Trolls are.
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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2014, 12:07:24 AM »

They are on the AlternateHistory.com message board, so it's not unheard of for a reasonable level-headed forum to enact such a rule.

I didn't know that was the case although I remember they banned the thelyniezien for constantly bringing up the subject.

Didn't the AH mods ban you?

Yes but because I was an immature p**** a half-decade ago.

You're allowed to say penis again, friend. Inks isn't moderator anymore.

Evidently Inks spends most of his free time reporting posts with profanity according to MODLEAKS on the IRC.
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2014, 12:24:10 AM »

They are on the AlternateHistory.com message board, so it's not unheard of for a reasonable level-headed forum to enact such a rule.

I didn't know that was the case although I remember they banned the thelyniezien for constantly bringing up the subject.

Didn't the AH mods ban you?

Yes but because I was an immature p**** a half-decade ago.

You're allowed to say penis again, friend. Inks isn't moderator anymore.

Evidently Inks spends most of his free time reporting posts with profanity according to MODLEAKS on the IRC.

Awful. This sort of anti-social would-be vigilantism he is undertaking needs to be cracked down.
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2014, 12:31:54 AM »

I think respectful  hatred along the lines of TJ or DC is not banworthy.

Neither TJ nor DC are hateful people in the least.
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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2014, 12:46:04 AM »
« Edited: August 01, 2014, 12:49:50 AM by shua »

How surprised. Shua misintreprets things on purpose again, to fit his agenda than social conservatives are discriminated.

They are not. Trolls are.

There is no misrepresentation involved. This poll is a simple enough question. What is your opinion on it?
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2014, 01:48:16 AM »

How surprised. Shua misintreprets things on purpose again, to fit his agenda than social conservatives are discriminated.

They are not. Trolls are.

There is no misrepresentation involved. This poll is a simple enough question. What is your opinion on it?

I obviously voted no. I deeply respect TJ, he is a very insightful poster. We happen to disagree on certain subjects, but he is an huge FF in my book.

That's not the case of everyone.
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2014, 02:04:54 AM »

No.
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2014, 02:23:03 AM »

Should people who oppose gay marriage be banned from this forum?

No.  People who married this forum should be opposed to gay bannings.
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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2014, 03:41:24 AM »
« Edited: August 01, 2014, 03:47:23 AM by Hifly »

I think respectful  hatred along the lines of TJ or DC is not banworthy. But vocally overt homophobia (aka Hilfy) should be.

What overt homophobia?  

I think I support more gay rights than DC or TJ do.
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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2014, 04:10:50 AM »

A claim that if true just makes your opposition to gay marriage more jarring because their opposition has the benefit of making sense.
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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2014, 04:23:09 AM »

A claim that if true just makes your opposition to gay marriage more jarring because their opposition has the benefit of making sense.

So you accept religious opposition to gay marriage as a valid reason?
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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2014, 06:04:30 AM »

You know that opposing gay marriage is not worthy of a ban, shua. The question should have been: "should an Oxford College sweet irredentist be banned from this forum?" Maybe, or maybe not. Why not another poll on how nice looks Eastern Prussia in historical atlases or on the advisability of a Hapsburg dynasty comeback? I sing the Radetzky March sometimes, because I'm all for the Austro-Hungarian monarchy.
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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2014, 06:27:54 AM »

A claim that if true just makes your opposition to gay marriage more jarring because their opposition has the benefit of making sense.

So you accept religious opposition to gay marriage as a valid reason?

The only valid opposition to gay marriage is opposition to the archaic construct in its entirety. Anything else is recycling engrained dogma or bigotry.
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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2014, 06:45:32 AM »

No of course not. If we don't just want to become another echo chamber like free republic or democratic underground we can't just randomly start to ban people based on their opinion on certain issues.

That being said, I fully support calling people like Hifly out on their overt bigotry towards other people.   
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« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2014, 07:18:22 AM »

No...?
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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2014, 07:59:49 AM »

They are on the AlternateHistory.com message board, so it's not unheard of for a reasonable level-headed forum ideological echo chambers to enact such a rule.

edited for a better description.

But the objection to anti-SSM opinions are in my opinion okay on AH.com, because it's a historical forum where they sometime discuss politics. But what you suggest are making a mainstream political opinion ground for banning on a political forum. It would destroy debate, create a discussion culture of baiting, both people careful avoiding saying anything direct, and also people trying to lay trap and tattling to the moderators. It would be a disaster for the forum.

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The moment it was no longer mainstreamed (as in social acceptable to support).
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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2014, 08:53:27 AM »

A claim that if true just makes your opposition to gay marriage more jarring because their opposition has the benefit of making sense.

So you accept religious opposition to gay marriage as a valid reason?

The only valid opposition to gay marriage is opposition to the archaic construct in its entirety. Anything else is recycling engrained dogma or bigotry.


I simply believe that marriage is a traditional institution which should not be sullied through arbitrary redefinition. I like the homosexuals and I have homosexual friends. But I do not support them having the ability to enter matrimony.
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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2014, 09:02:48 AM »

A claim that if true just makes your opposition to gay marriage more jarring because their opposition has the benefit of making sense.

So you accept religious opposition to gay marriage as a valid reason?

The only valid opposition to gay marriage is opposition to the archaic construct in its entirety. Anything else is recycling engrained dogma or bigotry.


I simply believe that marriage is a traditional institution which should not be sullied through arbitrary redefinition. I like the homosexuals and I have homosexual friends. But I do not support them having the ability to enter matrimony.

Maintaining a tradition for the sake of the tradition is the worst reason to do so. All traditions of any kind should always be under a lens of strict scrutiny, and be replaced, modified, or altogether removed if it becomes inadequate, outdated or inegalitarian.
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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2014, 09:05:20 AM »

That was Snowstalker.  The real Hifly has never stated the reasons for his opposition to marriage equality so clearly or succinctly, AFAIK.
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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2014, 09:07:17 AM »

That was Snowstalker.  The real Hifly has never stated the reasons for his opposition to marriage equality so clearly or succinctly, AFAIK.

Aye I see. When posting on an iPhone it's a lot easier to go by avatars.
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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2014, 09:08:11 AM »

^ Same.  I fell for it too, and thought he'd started talking to himself.
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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2014, 09:20:32 AM »

Everyone who honestly thinks people who hold terrible opinions should be banned should be banned from this forum. Basically:


I really enjoy this place. I think it's a unique dot on the internet where a lot of people with interesting brains have somehow congregated to discuss society and the minutia of politics. But it is such a colossal waste of everyone's time that I can't help but feel that its absence could possibly lead to wonderful achievements in a myriad of fields.

Or, you know, we'd all occupy ourselves doing something equally as useless yet entertaining. Whatever.
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2014, 09:30:45 AM »

No.

The thing about gay people is that they are incredibly patient. We've always had to wait on each step of the rights movement from decriminalisation to marriage, on the majority deciding when it was appropriate to give us some rights. How very nice of them. So we can wait. But there will be a point when opposing it becomes indefensible. When society isn't crumbling because of it and people you know are gay and married and the vast majority of people don't even notice sexuality as a defining characteristic, those who still oppose it or wave about a leather book en lieu of using thought will join the ranks of societies greatest assholes alongside those who think women should be in the kitchen and mixed race babies are an abomination.
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2014, 11:06:59 AM »

A claim that if true just makes your opposition to gay marriage more jarring because their opposition has the benefit of making sense.

So you accept religious opposition to gay marriage as a valid reason?

I accept it as less nonsensical than whatever your reasoning is.
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