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Adam Griffin
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« on: August 01, 2014, 04:42:53 AM »

I wonder how each county in this megaregion would vote in 2060 with today's trends...

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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 09:15:54 AM »

The demographics are interesting, but growth projections that far forward usually miss migration trends due to unforeseen technologies. 2060 is 46 years away. How many planners in 1968 saw the rise of the Research Triangle and the emergence of NC as a research hub. Back then the discussion was about the relocation of traditional manufacturing to NC from the north, not tech jobs.

Politically the problem is just as difficult. 46 years is well beyond the horizon of major political shifts. Look at the maps of the 1960, 1968 and 1976 elections (all pretty close) and try to use them to try to forecast the Obama maps. It doesn't work, in part because the Reagan era hadn't occurred to lock in a new pattern for the parties.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2014, 09:27:13 AM »

Are they projecting the growth rates based on states, or on individual metros?
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2014, 09:27:29 PM »

The demographics are interesting, but growth projections that far forward usually miss migration trends due to unforeseen technologies. 2060 is 46 years away. How many planners in 1968 saw the rise of the Research Triangle and the emergence of NC as a research hub. Back then the discussion was about the relocation of traditional manufacturing to NC from the north, not tech jobs.

Politically the problem is just as difficult. 46 years is well beyond the horizon of major political shifts. Look at the maps of the 1960, 1968 and 1976 elections (all pretty close) and try to use them to try to forecast the Obama maps. It doesn't work, in part because the Reagan era hadn't occurred to lock in a new pattern for the parties.

I know, but I really just wanted to talk about this map/possibility. Cheesy

Are they projecting the growth rates based on states, or on individual metros?

Eyeballing various areas in my state, I'd have to say that it must be individual metros. Otherwise, there'd be a proportionate expectation of growth in areas with similar populations, no? Of course...there could be different types of urbanization in different areas (some build up, some build out). One area that made me think this was comparing Chatham County (Savannah) to Bibb/Houston (Macon-Warner Robins): roughly the same population, but Macon/Warner Robins anticipated outward growth is much greater compared to Savannah's. The same could be said for Chattanooga/Hamilton County and Macon/Warner Robins, except Hamilton County is even larger than Chatham County.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 11:40:46 PM »

judging by the predicted growth on both sides of the GA-NC border it looks like they didn't even take into account National Forest lands
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 10:45:19 PM »

judging by the predicted growth on both sides of the GA-NC border it looks like they didn't even take into account National Forest lands

I didn't even notice that!

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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 01:04:39 PM »

Maybe then we'll get high-speed regional rail lines?
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 02:45:05 PM »

All of the southern "cities" are aesthetically vile with the exception of New Orleans. Sad.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 03:56:38 PM »
« Edited: August 04, 2014, 04:17:02 PM by memphis »

All of the southern "cities" are aesthetically vile with the exception of New Orleans. Sad.
Outside of a few ritzy and touristy neighborhoods, mostly clustered along St Charles Ave, New Orleans is the one of the least aesthetically pleasing cities in America. It's true that the Crescent City has a lot of potential, but mostly it's a decaying ghetto. At least Memphis is built mostly of brick, which stands up to neglect fairly well with little maintenance. New Orleans houses are predominantly little wooden shotgun shacks that are rotten through and through from years of rain and swampy dampness. Many look ready to collapse at any moment, and one down the street from me actually did when I used to live there.
Here's what a typical non-tourist neighborhood in NOLA looks like:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.984342,-90.065145&spn=0.032302,0.038581&cbll=29.984343,-90.065093&layer=c&panoid=OVg92ewGdFiMXwso2m4amQ&cbp=12,188.61,,0,18.72&t=m&z=15
In contrast, here's a typical (also non touristy, mostly black, economically disadvantaged, and undesirable) neighborhood in Memphis, which is much more typical look for the South
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.063936,-89.893098&spn=0.030525,0.038581&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=35.063252,-89.900464&panoid=2m1zKmD2sMDsLSA10oT8NA&cbp=12,104.06,,0,-8.44
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 01:31:59 PM »

^^ I'd add South Carrolton's rich people houses in with St. Charles
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 09:21:03 PM »

All of the southern "cities" are aesthetically vile with the exception of New Orleans. Sad.
Outside of a few ritzy and touristy neighborhoods, mostly clustered along St Charles Ave, New Orleans is the one of the least aesthetically pleasing cities in America. It's true that the Crescent City has a lot of potential, but mostly it's a decaying ghetto. At least Memphis is built mostly of brick, which stands up to neglect fairly well with little maintenance. New Orleans houses are predominantly little wooden shotgun shacks that are rotten through and through from years of rain and swampy dampness. Many look ready to collapse at any moment, and one down the street from me actually did when I used to live there.
Here's what a typical non-tourist neighborhood in NOLA looks like:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.984342,-90.065145&spn=0.032302,0.038581&cbll=29.984343,-90.065093&layer=c&panoid=OVg92ewGdFiMXwso2m4amQ&cbp=12,188.61,,0,18.72&t=m&z=15
In contrast, here's a typical (also non touristy, mostly black, economically disadvantaged, and undesirable) neighborhood in Memphis, which is much more typical look for the South
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.063936,-89.893098&spn=0.030525,0.038581&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=35.063252,-89.900464&panoid=2m1zKmD2sMDsLSA10oT8NA&cbp=12,104.06,,0,-8.44

Massively preferable to McMansion hell.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 11:11:49 PM »

The guy mentioned in the OP, Richard Florida, has been hawking this schtick where he tries to make a buzzword out of an awkward combination of the names of vaguely nearby cities for a number of years.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2014, 02:53:01 PM »

The guy mentioned in the OP, Richard Florida, has been hawking this schtick where he tries to make a buzzword out of an awkward combination of the names of vaguely nearby cities for a number of years.

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Rochorontalo is so better
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2014, 03:53:21 PM »

The guy mentioned in the OP, Richard Florida, has been hawking this schtick where he tries to make a buzzword out of an awkward combination of the names of vaguely nearby cities for a number of years.

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Rochorontalo is so better

Torchester sounds nice though. Like a British city based around fire Pokemon.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2014, 06:33:07 PM »

All of the southern "cities" are aesthetically vile with the exception of New Orleans. Sad.
You've been to a lot of southern cities?
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