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« on: August 03, 2014, 10:31:40 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 12:31:07 AM »
« Edited: August 05, 2014, 10:59:26 AM by Snowstalker »

Cool, our people moved up four spots.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 12:38:54 AM »

Climate change denialists should be above "radical environmentalists"
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 12:50:41 AM »


You're "Extreme anti-abortion"?
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2014, 02:34:34 AM »

The "sovereign citizens" are from American culture. To become a "sovereign citizen" one must simply intensify the belief in certain threads of American culture. Then one can have a distorted view of American history and adopt an extremist ideology and a proclivity for violence as one is brainwashed.

To be an Islamic extremist one must first be a Muslim. For most Americans such requires a conversion, hardly an easy one if one has a strong tie to any non-Muslim culture, in itself, and then be attracted to thuggery that has a veneer of Islam.

The conversion from "decent person" to "terrorist" is more difficult than a religious conversion.

OK, we are not out of danger if the threat from "sovereign citizens" subsides. Extreme ideologues which Eric Hoffer called True Believers may find themselves disillusioned with a cause after some ruin of the cause or being on the wrong side of some in-fighting, only to find a vacuum to be filled only by another extremist cause. Many fascists and Nazis were renegade socialists and communists. After World War II, rank-and-file members of the fascistic Iron Guard of Romania and the Arrow Cross of Hungary discovered that their proclivity for dirty work made them just the people to do the dirty work for what were recently-tiny Communist Parties. Low-level Nazis were easy marks for Communist brainwashing in the Soviet zone of occupation -- far easier than liberals and democratic socialists. Some Nazis found that their hatred for Jews and Judaism as well as their technical skills could serve Islamic countries hostile to the "Zionist entity".       
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2014, 02:57:27 AM »

The "sovereign citizens" are from American culture. To become a "sovereign citizen" one must simply intensify the belief in certain threads of American culture. Then one can have a distorted view of American history and adopt an extremist ideology and a proclivity for violence as one is brainwashed.

No. "Sovereign citizens" isn't an issue only in USA. It is an issue in other countries.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 05:29:59 AM »

The "sovereign citizens" are from American culture. To become a "sovereign citizen" one must simply intensify the belief in certain threads of American culture. Then one can have a distorted view of American history and adopt an extremist ideology and a proclivity for violence as one is brainwashed.

No. "Sovereign citizens" isn't an issue only in USA. It is an issue in other countries.

The reference is to the United States.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 12:01:25 PM »

 Which category replaced Obama’s academia professor buddies like Bill Ayers’ -  weather underground types - that committed the murder of a police officer and bombings carried out with honor and, according to Obamas’ supporting buddy, Bill Ayers, would do it again.
 Makes sence on the sovereign citizen rising as the sovereigntea of a great country degrades its self, on purpose. For some reason I’m not in fear of such a position as a sovereign citizen. As I understand it, they do exist under the law as one nation under God, not like the Obama faction of Bill Ayers.

BTW I heard a great story on FOX today; eateries giving 15% discounts for saying grace before meals, I’m sure chipole’s will get in on the act soon.  
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 12:02:42 PM »

Which category replaced Obama’s academia professor buddies like Bill Ayers’ -  weather underground types - that committed the murder of a police officer and bombings carried out with honor and, according to Obamas’ supporting buddy, Bill Ayers, would do it again.
 Makes sence on the sovereign citizen rising as the sovereigntea of a great country degrades its self, on purpose. For some reason I’m not in fear of such a position as a sovereign citizen. As I understand it, they do exist under the law as one nation under God, not like the Obama faction of Bill Ayers.

BTW I heard a great story on FOX today; eateries giving 15% discounts for saying grace before meals, I’m sure chipole’s will get in on the act soon. 


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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 12:03:29 PM »

It won't get mainstream attention until lives are lost, unfortunately.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 12:12:06 PM »

Which category replaced Obama’s academia professor buddies like Bill Ayers’ -  weather underground types - that committed the murder of a police officer and bombings carried out with honor and, according to Obamas’ supporting buddy, Bill Ayers, would do it again.
 Makes sence on the sovereign citizen rising as the sovereigntea of a great country degrades its self, on purpose. For some reason I’m not in fear of such a position as a sovereign citizen. As I understand it, they do exist under the law as one nation under God, not like the Obama faction of Bill Ayers.

BTW I heard a great story on FOX today; eateries giving 15% discounts for saying grace before meals, I’m sure chipole’s will get in on the act soon.  


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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 12:57:51 PM »
« Edited: August 05, 2014, 04:53:45 AM by Scottish Robb Stark »

Which category replaced Obama’s academia professor buddies like Bill Ayers’ -  weather underground types - that committed the murder of a police officer and bombings carried out with honor and, according to Obamas’ supporting buddy, Bill Ayers, would do it again.
 Makes sence on the sovereign citizen rising as the sovereigntea of a great country degrades its self, on purpose. For some reason I’m not in fear of such a position as a sovereign citizen. As I understand it, they do exist under the law as one nation under God, not like the Obama faction of Bill Ayers.

BTW I heard a great story on FOX today; eateries giving 15% discounts for saying grace before meals, I’m sure chipole’s will get in on the act soon. 


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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 01:03:22 PM »

It won't get mainstream attention until lives are lost, unfortunately.

Is that a reference to the OP, or reading t_host1's posts?
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 01:04:19 PM »

 
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2014, 01:13:42 PM »

What's the difference, Joe?
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 07:13:57 PM »

From Wikipedia:

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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2014, 08:52:52 PM »
« Edited: August 04, 2014, 08:59:37 PM by t_host1 »


 Too your point of the connection. Looks like to me that the author grab the words sovereign and citizen for the purpose of demeaning their definition. Where is the root meaning/definition that equates sovereign and citizen with murder and anarchy? I would suggest that the author of the study fears self-sufficient civil liberties being of a greater influence than the planned order currently being imposed. Justifying the means to ITs end is a good illustration of this tactic within the study’s title. The rule of this political front is much larger than is realized and, yes, I can see how the current governess would see the threat of a sovereign citizen as defined by their origin root. I Heard Obama some time back, a year or 2 ago, try to make this defined connection, the news galley was scratching their head like - what?

 This is not the silliness like when Tim Russert of NBC news and the Dem’s played games on election night with the blue and red colors during the Reagan sweep, trying to influence the outcome. Thing of it is, it stuck, creating an issue for Dave Leip and his maps. Tim says it was honest mistake, cherishing his maps on those white boards.
 No, the above title, wiki and their reported connection is the "Danger In America", of todays leftist propaganda, front and center; or, that is at the least, how I see it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 09:43:42 PM »

As far back as I can remember, right-wing domestic terrorists have always been a much greater threat than international terrorists.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2014, 10:27:57 PM »

News galley?  Caveman smash!
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2014, 10:33:09 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2014, 11:46:58 PM »

The U.S. government is absolutely terrified to do anything about the Cliven Bundy lawbreaker types, because the Cliven Bundy lawbreaker types are armed to the teeth and eager to shoot.
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2014, 04:49:34 AM »

The U.S. government is absolutely terrified to do anything about the Cliven Bundy lawbreaker types, because the Cliven Bundy lawbreaker types are armed to the teeth and eager to shoot.

 Hum… The 2nd amendment does have its virtues. I would put the Bundy story on the same plateau as the current illegal immigration story, many years of ambiguous neglected law enforcement. The killing and property destruction of the Bundy story was of the Fed’s doing. The trail of death from the inducement to illegally immigrate is also of the Fed’s doing. The damn of it is, the Fed is not a mother ship of unknown origin, it is "we the people".
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2014, 10:25:22 AM »

Left-wingers have a long history of committing political atrocities that have resulted in the deaths of thousands to millions; from the Reign of Terror all the way up to the Cambodian Genocide.

You'll never hear about that from the left-wing, globalist mass media; though. Instead, they use a handful of isolated incidents (many of which have a high possibility of being false flag attacks) to make the claim that ''all right-wingers are potential terrorists'' while at the same time pretending that left-wingers never commit violent acts themselves.

Before you hit me with the usual response that I'm a crazy, extreme right-wing conspiracy theorist who needs to take his meds; take a look at Hal Turner. He's proof that the feds do, in fact, set people up to play the role of their political opponents and act aggressively so they can justify making moves against them. They even encouraged him to use violent rhetoric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner#FBI_Informant
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 11:02:41 AM »

Left-wingers have a long history of committing political atrocities that have resulted in the deaths of thousands to millions; from the Reign of Terror all the way up to the Cambodian Genocide.

You'll never hear about that from the left-wing, globalist mass media; though.

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2014, 11:12:01 AM »

The article surmises that this has to do with Obama's race, and yet if one looks at the actual categories that are about race (skinheads, neo-nazis, anti-immigration, christian identity) they are at a slightly lower perceived threat from the Bush years.  I suppose the "sovereign citizen" rhetoric has been adopted as a justification by some of these groups, and so law enforcement and the media will tend to use it as a catch-all phrase even if the connection is tenuous. 
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