Could Romney have gotten a full ACA Repeal through a democratic senate majority?
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« on: August 03, 2014, 11:51:45 PM »

Let's say Romney won the states of FL, VA, OH, and CO in 2012 (which would have gotten him a 275-263 EC Victory), and wins the popular vote by a minuscule 0.8% nationwide. However, the democrats keep the senate majority, 52-48, with Denny Rehberg, Rick Berg, and Tommy Thompson all winning their respective elections (all other senate results are the same as they were in rl.) . The Republicans lose only 4 house seats instead of 8, and all gubernatorial results remain the same except the republicans get MT.

Would Romney have been able to get a full ACA repeal through this divided congress before the 2014 midterms (November 2, 2014), and if so, would he have had to give up any of his policy ideas on other issues (taxes, gay marriage, defense, abortion, etc.) in order to get it through? Also, which 3 democrats (you may use either or both independent senators if you like) would actually vote to repeal it? Assume that all 48 republicans fully support repeal.

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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 10:34:01 AM »

They would have done a reform bill with the Democrats.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 12:37:40 PM »

They would have done a reform bill with the Democrats.
No way the Tea Partiers would settle with compromise.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 03:58:18 PM »

It would have died through executive inaction, not congressional repeal. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 06:52:23 PM »

lol...no. No politician from "either" party would repeal ACA, especially the mandate. This is about a permanent government-sanctioned private insurance cartel with no value-added acting as a toll booth between patients and doctors.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2014, 06:48:00 PM »

It would have taken 12 Democratic traitors, not 3, to get it through the Senate, but Romney could have weakened it through executive orders.

Of course, I highly doubt Romney is truly opposed to the ACA (even today he's very proud of Romneycare), so I bet he would make some minor tweaks, spin it as a repeal, and move on.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 11:14:36 AM »

Why would Romney repeal a bill that the health insurance industry supported and continues to support, and that is a direct copy of Heritagecare from way back in 1994? If anything, Romney would probably make sure that the program were implemented as smoothly as possible, and then try and take credit for the program working at all. That's what Republicans do.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 11:22:39 AM »

that is a direct copy of Heritagecare from way back in 1994?

No it's not. It's not even that close.

It is pretty close to the Massachusetts system passed by the Democratic legislature and signed by into law by Mitt Romney, though.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 01:41:29 AM »

It would have taken 12 Democratic traitors, not 3, to get it through the Senate, but Romney could have weakened it through executive orders.

Of course, I highly doubt Romney is truly opposed to the ACA (even today he's very proud of Romneycare), so I bet he would make some minor tweaks, spin it as a repeal, and move on.

Romney had a transition site (in the event that he won) where it talked about how he was going to dismantle the ACA through the executive branch.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 09:20:58 PM »

Will the next Republican president simply ignore the ACA? Unless republicans win Congress in a landslide and get to 60 or stop the filibuster some other way, the ACA is probably here to stay but for a tax cut on medical devices and forcing more workers on to exchanges.

Anything more would be very risky. On one hand it could cause Democrats to back down on health care for decades as they had between Johnson and Clinton.  On the other,  it could cause Democrats to adapt a lie and wait approach and push through a more radical approach when the medical industry has finally busted on their own excess.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 10:29:28 PM »

0. Romney would have repealed it on day 1.

But only after immediately labeling China a currency manipulator.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2014, 05:23:38 PM »

0. Romney would have repealed it on day 1.

But only after immediately labeling China a currency manipulator.


To me, that seemed like something like the Iraq War, something that had a 10% chance of being this huge breakthrough and 90% chance of being a cluster where it would still be hard to image shaking 10 years hence.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2014, 06:08:01 PM »

It actually goes back further than 1994...my dad's old Richard Nixon campaign brochures from 1972 talked all about how Nixon would "Reform health care without government takeover."
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2014, 12:43:54 AM »

I don't think the next GOP President makes major changes to ACA, it won't get through Congress and it'd be a waste of time. I do think some reform would be pursued though.
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