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Question: The torch has been passed to a new generation.
#1
Union Party: Fmr. Secretary of Commerce Herbert C. Hoover of California
 
#2
Union Party: Speaker of the House Nicholas Longworth of Ohio
 
#3
Union Party: Senate Minority Leader Charles Curtis of Kansas
 
#4
Union Party: Senator James Eli Watson of Indiana
 
#5
Union Party: Governor C. C. Young of California
 
#6
Union Party: Mr. Henry Ford of Michigan
 
#7
Union Party: Mr. Henry Ford of Michigan
 
#8
Workers' Party: Vice President Burton K. Wheeler of Montana
 
#9
Workers' Party: Representative Cordell Hull of Tennessee
 
#10
Workers' Party: Senator James Reed of Missouri
 
#11
Workers' Party: Senator Carter Glass of Virginia
 
#12
Workers' Party: Senator J. Thomas Heflin of Alabama
 
#13
Workers' Party: Senator Duncan U. Fletcher of Florida
 
#14
Bull-Moose Party: Governor Alfred E. Smith of New York
 
#15
Bull-Moose Party: Senator Hiram Johnson of California
 
#16
Bull-Moose Party: Senator George Norris of Nebraska
 
#17
Bull-Moose Party: Senate Minority Whip William E. Borah of Idaho
 
#18
Bull-Moose Party: Senator David I. Walsh of Massachusetts
 
#19
Bull-Moose Party: Fmr. Governor Frank Orren Lowden of Illinois
 
#20
Bull-Moose Party: Senator Duncan U. Fletcher of Florida
 
#21
Bull-Moose Party: Merger
 
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Total Voters: 30

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« on: August 04, 2014, 02:49:33 PM »
« edited: August 06, 2014, 12:58:47 PM by Senator Alfred F. Jones »

Righto, folks, here we are. Coolidge's second term has been marked by far less success than his first, with none of those hellishly right-wing economic reforms or that surprisingly peaceful Reconstruction (except for that part when Theodore Bilbo was shot, but that's another story for another day). He has managed to do some things though, most notably full end of Reconstruction and the closure of Ellis Island - the latter enraged quite a bit of the Populist base, especially soon-to-be Senate Majority Leader Morris Hillquit, but everyone else was pretty much fine and dandy. The Roaring Twenties are chugging along at a rapid pace, but while most of the world is celebrating the Spirit of St. Louis, certain other individuals are preoccupied with a certain other sort of spirits in the next state over (hint: one of them is that nice Italian fellow Al Capone). Nothing new to report, really, just the same as the last four years.

While many expected the still-triumphant President Coolidge to run for reelection, he was put into a general funk (to put it lightly) upon the death of his son and refused to do so, stating that "if it is God's will that I be miserable, I shall request a favor of him that I be miserable in Massachusetts," and endorsing arch-conservative Nicholas Longworth, son-in-law of former ex-Unionist Theodore Roosevelt, brother-in-law of Rhose Island rising star and alleged carpetbagger Quentin Roosevelt, and cousin-in-law of former Navy Secretary Franklin Roosevelt. He's been called "the most horridly right-wing frontrunner since Joseph Cannon" and he's damn well proud of it, though at least he's not such an unbearable asshole to literally everyone (indeed, Coolidge's eulogy for Uncle Joe consisted entirely of "He was the President a few times", though this was similar to the treatment he gave to President Debs: "He was in between that other guy's administrations. God, I'm so ing tired of all this funeral sh**t."). The other frontrunner is failed VP nominee of yesteryear and former Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover (the "former" part is because Coolidge fired him in 1927 because "that man has offered me every day unsolicited advice for the past six years, all of it bad"), who is sort of progressive-ish but is still tight with big business, much like another failed VP nominee I could name. Everyone else is a one-off "look at me I have one quirky trait" dude: Charles Curtis is a Native American, James Eli Watson is batsh**t crazy and wants to sterilize the poor, Clement Calhoun Young is literally (and I do mean literally) the only progressive Unionist left, and you all know about Henry Ford, who won't let libel suits stop him from running full-page advertisements of how sexy he is and how President Ford wouldn't take no sh**t from no one.

For the WP, we have clear frontrunner VP BKW, who has the unions, the blacks, the Native Americans, and the former President (Underwood's only one left besides Marion Butler, you see, and most of the party pretends the latter never existed) behind him. His campaign slogan is "Reforms, Reforms As Far As The Eye Can See," and he damn well intends to live up to that: universal health care, women's suffrage, the inheritance tax, a Civil Rights Act (whatever that is), and maybe a few nationalizations if he gets a lot of votes. The other candidates are all racists (except Duncan Fletcher, who is attempting to bridge the gap between the parties and doesn't realize that the WP and BMP aren't going to merge unless it's the other way around because seniority), but special mention goes to James Thomas Heflin, whose only notable accomplishment in Congress has been the murder of a black man in broad daylight.

For the Bull-Meese, we've got crazy character Al Smith, who is hoping the voters don't realize he delivered them one of their worst performances ever and maintains that he did not have sex with that Pope, Pius XI. His main challenger is eternal runner-up Hiram Johnson, who is attempting to pull rank seeing as he's the only Bull-Moose ever to become Vice President and is still progressive as ever. Dueling with him for Fighting Bob's legacy (both figuratively and, on one memorable occasion, literally) is Senator George Norris, who responded to Johnson's rank pull by saying that he filled William Jennings Bryan's old Senate Seat and that basically makes him the Vice President and please love him. Billy Borah and D. Ignatius Walsh are having an isolationist pissing contest in the corner of the convention hall, but there's an added twist in that Walsh got a bit weird after losing in 1924 (first to Smith and then to both Wheeler and Hoover - for a brief time he changed his name to Walsher, but then decided that was stupid); he has taken a turn for the conservative lately and many are wondering if he's even in the right party, but at least he's not Duncan Fletcher. What the  is Duncan Fletcher doing here? What's he doing anywhere? He's like 90 or something. Frank Orren Lowden is running against prohibition or some sh**t like that, but his name recognition is so little that most Illinoisans can't distinguish between him and that homeless guy on Barker Boulevard.

Well, there you have it. I'm sort of hoping on the inside that we keep up the cycle of four Unionist victories (Tilden-Clay-Cleveland and Root-Coolidge-Someone (Longworth? Ford?), a legendary left-wing President (Donnelly and someone else (Wheeler? Long? La Guardia?)), and an era of divided elections (Butler-Barker-Reed-Cannon-Debs-Cannon-Underwood and Warren-Randolph-Rustin-Rockefeller-Chisholm?), but I honestly have no idea what will happen.
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 07:26:02 PM »

Underwood/Johnson unity ticket! Henry Ford is on the ballot twice because he's too anti-Semitic for one person, btw.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 07:57:34 PM »


Scratch that, Wheeler/Father James R. Cox (can we give him some random Congressmanship? Does he need one?)
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 10:53:36 AM »

If the BMP convention is still deadlocked between Smith, Johnson, and a merger, do we go to a three-way runoff (somewhat pointless) or just a Smith-Johnson runoff?
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 12:20:28 PM »

If the BMP convention is still deadlocked between Smith, Johnson, and a merger, do we go to a three-way runoff (somewhat pointless) or just a Smith-Johnson runoff?

Just a Smith-Johnson runoff.

Cool. Battle of the Two Most Popular Surnames.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 12:50:39 PM »

Fun fact y'all: the sh**t is going to hit the fan if the Unionists nominate Mellon. Just a tidbit if you're into sh**t-fan-hitting, which I personally am.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 01:17:56 PM »

Fordmentum!
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 01:19:57 PM »

Fun fact y'all: the sh**t is going to hit the fan if the Unionists nominate Mellon. Just a tidbit if you're into sh**t-fan-hitting, which I personally am.

I don't like your tone there, mister.

So sorry Sad. Let me rephrase that: If Mellon is nominated for VP, we will see 1972-DNC-esque levels of intrigue.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 04:43:07 PM »

Fun fact: I will laugh my a** off if Wheeler Longworth is somehow forced into a run off with Glass Ford, given that the latter is only losing by one vote Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 06:52:30 PM »


Why tho?
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2014, 02:26:23 PM »

About a day left on this thing.
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2014, 01:33:12 AM »

Might the Bull-Meese get their first President?
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2014, 12:30:57 PM »

Might the Bull-Meese get their first President?

If the right is split then Wheeler should have an easy win assuming that the left all goes with him. Then again, it could be thrown to the House and who knows what could go on there.

True, but how much of the forum is going to actually vote for Ford? I think we'll have a moderate coalition behind Smith.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2014, 12:55:35 PM »


I think it's Flo. Also if Johnson beats Smith, do y'all think the Wheeler-Johnson split could lead to Eternal President Ford? I kinda want Eternal President Ford so we can have a solid boogeyman.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2014, 01:12:46 PM »


I think it's Flo. Also if Johnson beats Smith, do y'all think the Wheeler-Johnson split could lead to Eternal President Ford? I kinda want Eternal President Ford so we can have a solid boogeyman.

Ford would be an...interesting President in many ways, but I don't think he would've tried to become a dictator (awful as he was).

Also: Hiramentum!

Oh, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about never stopping running for reelection - he's got 'til 1947.
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2014, 01:56:12 PM »

Hmm, might there still be a runoff with the Unionists with these current numbers? I recall that Van Buren led by one vote in the 1848 primaries at first before being defeated in a runoff later, and I imagine that a lot of delegates would balk at Ford being nominated so easily.

He has 50% of the vote now.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2014, 03:27:52 PM »

If the GE forces me to choose between a Catholic and a Michiganian, I'll be a sad Cathcon.

Choose the Michigander, it's more fun! Also we still have the runoff.
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