Remember in 2008 when Hillary won CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, OH, MI & NJ and still lost
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« on: August 08, 2014, 07:00:28 AM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 07:05:10 AM »

"It’s not how many votes you get. It’s the geographic boundaries that contain those votes."
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 11:46:03 PM »

Due to her not understanding the new delegate system. Yeah she won the larger states, but not hugely, receiving a lot of, but still fewer delegates. Obama, focusing on the smaller states, won huge in those, allowing his delegate count to slightly beat her.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 12:10:56 AM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 12:15:42 AM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Let them have their 2008 nostalgia. Aside from desperately hoping and praying she doesn't run, it's all the Hillary haters have left. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 03:47:09 AM »

Due to her not understanding the new delegate system.

It wasn't a new delegate system.  It was essentially the same delegate system that the Democrats had been using for 20+ years.  Yet oddly, several of her top advisors didn't understand it.  IIRC, Ira Magaziner was exasperated by how poorly her people understood what was basically the same delegate system that existed when Bill ran in 1992.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 08:32:13 AM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Let them have their 2008 nostalgia. Aside from desperately hoping and praying she doesn't run, it's all the Hillary haters have left. Wink

With logical grounds
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 11:31:04 AM »

Yes, very fondly.

But now I am looking forward to her winning all 50 states on the way to being our party's nominee and winning an historic landslide against whatever pathetic loser the Republicans nominate.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 11:33:46 AM »

Yes, very fondly.

But now I am looking forward to her winning all 50 states on the way to being our party's nominee and winning an historic landslide against whatever pathetic loser the Republicans nominate.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 04:17:33 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

This is deceiving.  Obama absolutely wrecked her in the caucuses. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 04:20:32 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Obama won the most votes without Michigan, where he wasn't on the ballot since he didn't break the DNC rules.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 04:27:45 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Obama won the most votes without Michigan, where he wasn't on the ballot since he didn't break the DNC rules.

Or, if you give Obama the "Uncommitted" vote in Michigan, which was widely seen as a vote for Obama, Hillary still narrowly wins.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 04:33:32 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Obama won the most votes without Michigan, where he wasn't on the ballot since he didn't break the DNC rules.

He OPTED to take his name off the ballot and he still received delegates, so your argument is moot. Hey, my name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, either. Why didn't I receive some delegates? The DNC just assumed that all the "uncommitted" votes cast in Michigan were for Obama and so he got some delegates because of that. It's not really a democracy if all 50 states, DC, and the territories did not get a say. And yes, I would say the same if it had been Idaho, Illinois, or Georgia that had "violated" the DNC "rules." You shouldn't punish the voters because of their state leaders' mistakes.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 04:48:47 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Obama won the most votes without Michigan, where he wasn't on the ballot since he didn't break the DNC rules.

He OPTED to take his name off the ballot and he still received delegates, so your argument is moot. Hey, my name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, either. Why didn't I receive some delegates? The DNC just assumed that all the "uncommitted" votes cast in Michigan were for Obama and so he got some delegates because of that. It's not really a democracy if all 50 states, DC, and the territories did not get a say. And yes, I would say the same if it had been Idaho, Illinois, or Georgia that had "violated" the DNC "rules." You shouldn't punish the voters because of their state leaders' mistakes.

Well, who knows how he would have done in Michigan if he was on the ballot. Obama did win neighboring Wisconsin by 18 points, and it was a primary, not a caucus.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2014, 08:13:33 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

That was a travesty. What was done to Michigan and Florida were a travesty. Pure voter disenfranchisement
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2014, 08:23:24 PM »

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

Obama won the most votes without Michigan, where he wasn't on the ballot since he didn't break the DNC rules.

He OPTED to take his name off the ballot and he still received delegates, so your argument is moot. Hey, my name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, either. Why didn't I receive some delegates? The DNC just assumed that all the "uncommitted" votes cast in Michigan were for Obama and so he got some delegates because of that. It's not really a democracy if all 50 states, DC, and the territories did not get a say. And yes, I would say the same if it had been Idaho, Illinois, or Georgia that had "violated" the DNC "rules." You shouldn't punish the voters because of their state leaders' mistakes.

Hey, don't be mad at the DNC for announcing they would strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates. If they hadn't done that, Obama stays on the Michigan ballot and wins the primary popular vote nationally.

Good times.

 Don't see how that can happen again though

Yeah it's really good in a democracy where the candidate who receives the most votes still loses.

That was a travesty. What was done to Michigan and Florida were a travesty. Pure voter disenfranchisement

They were given delegates in the end. Iowa and New Hampshire probably can't be stripped of their arbitrary privilege unless the parties do it together.

More importantly, what does any of this have to do with 2016? Besides GOP leadership obviously wishing they could restrict their nominating process to the OP's list of all blue states (except Texas).
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