Renisha McBride shooting

[Bojack Horseman]

A 19-year-old Black girl crashes her car while drunk and pounds on a man's door at about 5:00 AM wanting nothing more than an ambulance. The homeowner hears the pounding and fires through his locked screen door, killing her. Defendant claims self-defense.

I think they got the right verdict personally in convicting him across the board, and I hope he's sentenced to life without any chance of parole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Renisha_McBride

Begin deliberations.

[Flake]

Options one and three

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Guilty of Manslaughter, Not Guilty of the others

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

murder and felony weapon.  Fail to see how one can have murder and manslaughter charges both apply unless Michigan's murder law categorized both murder and attempted murder as murder without regard to whether the intent to kill was successfully carried out.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

murder and felony weapon.  Fail to see how one can have murder and manslaughter charges both apply unless Michigan's murder law categorized both murder and attempted murder as murder without regard to whether the intent to kill was successfully carried out.

How could you have murder and felony firearm? The firearm was part of the felony (murder).

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

murder and felony weapon.  Fail to see how one can have murder and manslaughter charges both apply unless Michigan's murder law categorized both murder and attempted murder as murder without regard to whether the intent to kill was successfully carried out.

How could you have murder and felony firearm? The firearm was part of the felony (murder).

You don't have to kill someone with a firearm.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

murder and felony weapon.  Fail to see how one can have murder and manslaughter charges both apply unless Michigan's murder law categorized both murder and attempted murder as murder without regard to whether the intent to kill was successfully carried out.

How could you have murder and felony firearm? The firearm was part of the felony (murder).

You don't have to kill someone with a firearm.

Huh... I thought Michigan wasn't one of those states with how they define it. Apparently I was wrong.

[Bojack Horseman]

What do you think of the sentence in this case? Wafer was sentenced yesterday to 15-30 years for the murder charge, as well as 7-15 for manslaughter to be served concurrently, and an extra 2 years on top of the 15-30 for the gun crime.

I personally think he should have been given an indeterminate life sentence. If you were going to give him a minimum of 17 years, it should have been 17 to life, not 17-32.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

What do you think of the sentence in this case? Wafer was sentenced yesterday to 15-30 years for the murder charge, as well as 7-15 for manslaughter to be served concurrently, and an extra 2 years on top of the 15-30 for the gun crime.

I personally think he should have been given an indeterminate life sentence. If you were going to give him a minimum of 17 years, it should have been 17 to life, not 17-32.

I don't think he could've been given a life sentence.  I don't see how the judge could've scored the offense variables high enough to allow for a life sentence.

[Bojack Horseman]

Just a few years ago, she wouldn't have had any choice but to give him a life sentence. I think they changed the law in accordance with Miller V. Alabama and applied it to adults as well.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Just a few years ago, she wouldn't have had any choice but to give him a life sentence. I think they changed the law in accordance with Miller V. Alabama and applied it to adults as well.

No, state law has (at least to my knowledge) never had a mandatory life sentence for second degree murder, and it certainly hasn't been that way any time recently.

MCL 750.317, which went into effect back in 1931 says that second degree murder "shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life, or any term of years, in the discretion of the court trying the same."

Miller v. Alabama is a completely separate issue.