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« on: August 08, 2014, 11:17:43 PM »
« edited: August 08, 2014, 11:19:28 PM by FreedomHawk »

I've been thinking. Yeah, Lincoln would probably be a Democrat today. Kennedy would probably be at least a moderate Republican today. So what else? What presidents of past time would have a different party affiliation and what would it be? I'm thinking:

Lincoln: Democrat
Kennedy: Republican
Teddy "badass" Roosevelt: Democrat

I am not familiar with the more obscure presidents besides just names. What else is there?
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 11:22:52 PM »

I would dispute all three posthumous party switches. Republicans today are just as devoted to crony capitalism as they were in the 1860s (albeit not necessarily for railroads anymore), so I doubt Lincoln would switch. Likewise, John McCain is arguably the intellectual descendant of Theodore Roosevelt. I see no reason to believe the older Kennedy would be a Republican when his brother was a staunch Democrat as recently as four years ago.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 11:28:39 PM »

We really have no idea of telling today, but all I know is that JFK would never be a Republican.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 12:35:31 AM »

I would dispute all three posthumous party switches. Republicans today are just as devoted to crony capitalism as they were in the 1860s (albeit not necessarily for railroads anymore), so I doubt Lincoln would switch. Likewise, John McCain is arguably the intellectual descendant of Theodore Roosevelt. I see no reason to believe the older Kennedy would be a Republican when his brother was a staunch Democrat as recently as four years ago.

Have you read the Progressive Party 1912 platform? Do you think John McCain would endorse that?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 12:40:19 AM »

I would dispute all three posthumous party switches. Republicans today are just as devoted to crony capitalism as they were in the 1860s (albeit not necessarily for railroads anymore), so I doubt Lincoln would switch. Likewise, John McCain is arguably the intellectual descendant of Theodore Roosevelt. I see no reason to believe the older Kennedy would be a Republican when his brother was a staunch Democrat as recently as four years ago.

Have you read the Progressive Party 1912 platform? Do you think John McCain would endorse that?

The only part that looks inconsistent with a contemporary Republican is national health insurance, and surely the extreme bellicosity compensates for that.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2014, 12:48:30 AM »

Not doing any President before the 20th Century

T. Roosevelt: Democratic
Taft: Republican
Wilson: Democratic
Harding: Republican
Coolidge: Republican
Hoover: Republican
FDR: Democratic
Truman: Democratic
Eisenhower: Democratic or Independent
JFK: Democratic
LBJ: Democratic
Nixon: Democratic
Ford: Democratic
After Carter would be the same 
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 01:51:43 AM »

Not doing any President before the 20th Century

T. Roosevelt: Democratic
Taft: Republican
Wilson: Democratic
Harding: Republican
Coolidge: Republican
Hoover: Republican
FDR: Democratic
Truman: Democratic
Eisenhower: Democratic or Independent
JFK: Democratic
LBJ: Democratic
Nixon: Democratic
Ford: Democratic
After Carter would be the same 

Um... what? Nixon almost certainly would not be a Democrat.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 01:53:46 AM »

I would dispute all three posthumous party switches. Republicans today are just as devoted to crony capitalism as they were in the 1860s (albeit not necessarily for railroads anymore), so I doubt Lincoln would switch. Likewise, John McCain is arguably the intellectual descendant of Theodore Roosevelt. I see no reason to believe the older Kennedy would be a Republican when his brother was a staunch Democrat as recently as four years ago.

Have you read the Progressive Party 1912 platform? Do you think John McCain would endorse that?

The only part that looks inconsistent with a contemporary Republican is national health insurance, and surely the extreme bellicosity compensates for that.

And the trust-busting, and the campaign finance regulations.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 01:58:58 AM »

Wow, I'm legitimately surprised a Republican acknowledged that Lincoln would be a Democrat today.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2014, 02:10:30 AM »

And the trust-busting, and the campaign finance regulations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCain-Feingold

I seriously doubt McCain opposes anti-trust legislation.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2014, 04:04:55 AM »

Wow, I'm legitimately surprised a Republican acknowledged that Lincoln would be a Democrat today.

Libertarian, so it doesn't count.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2014, 10:30:51 AM »

We really have no idea of telling today, but all I know is that JFK would never be a Republican.

All I'm saying is that could it have been different based on TODAYS party philosophies.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2014, 10:40:23 AM »

Kennedy would be a Democrat and he may have moved further towards the left as he got he older. Bobby and Teddy had similar ideology to JFK in the early 60's and look where they were by 1968.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2014, 10:42:37 AM »

JFK would not be a Republican. Only the 19th Century Democratic Presidents would flip that way.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2014, 10:47:46 AM »

The only one I can see switching out of the modern presidents is maybe Ike and that is a big if.
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2014, 11:25:42 AM »

Reagan - Republican / Establishment conservative
Ford - Republican / Establishment moderate
Nixon - Republican / Establishment conservative
Johnson - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Kennedy - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Eisenhower - Republican / Establishment moderate
Truman - Democrat / Blue Dog Democrat
Roosevelt - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Hoover - Republican / Establishment moderate
Coolidge - Republican / Establishment conservative
Harding - Republican / Establishment moderate
Wilson - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Taft - Republican / Establishment moderate
Roosevelt - Republican / Establishment conservative
McKinley - Republican / Establishment moderate
 
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2014, 11:30:56 AM »

I honestly think the last president that would have switched today would have been Grover Cleveland. (duh)
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2014, 11:31:21 AM »

Reagan - Republican / Establishment conservative
Ford - Republican / Establishment moderate
Nixon - Republican / Establishment conservative
Johnson - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Kennedy - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Eisenhower - Republican / Establishment moderate
Truman - Democrat / Blue Dog Democrat
Roosevelt - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Hoover - Republican / Establishment moderate
Coolidge - Republican / Establishment conservative
Harding - Republican / Establishment moderate
Wilson - Democrat / Establishment moderate
Taft - Republican / Establishment moderate
Roosevelt - Republican / Establishment conservative
McKinley - Republican / Establishment moderate
 

Are there any pre-1897 presidents from either party you see switching? Cleveland's obvious, though I wonder what your take on Harrison and Garfield might be.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2014, 01:17:22 PM »

Would the Republican Party be that accepting of a man who was noted for his high spending levels and  said "I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth or shapes it into a garment will starve in the process"?
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2014, 01:51:06 PM »

Are there any pre-1897 presidents from either party you see switching? Cleveland's obvious, though I wonder what your take on Harrison and Garfield might be.

Cleveland - Libertarian or Republican. Probably the former, given that most of the 'libertarian' wing of the GOP is in actuality paleoconservative and favorable to protectionism rather than embracing free trade. Cleveland would probably fit in pretty well with our modern MRAs, too, given that he didn't think that women were smart enough to exercise the franchise (curiously this seems to be a fairly consistent view from the 'classical liberals', iirc)
Harrison - Democrat, I'd say. Probably a protectionist liberal in the mold of Sherrod Brown, given his attempt at smashing Jim Crow in 1890 that unfortunately failed and his opposition to monopolies. Harrison was really our first progressive President in the modern sense, if you ask me.
Arthur - Republican, of a moderate establishment variety. The guy did after all oppose immigration restriction, but at the same time, he purged the civil service of blacks via 'Civil Service Reform'.
Hayes - Republican / Moderate establishmentarian
Grant - Democrat / Liberal establishmentarian (think Bill de Blasio or Liz Warren)
Lincoln - Democrat / Liberal establishmentarian, probably.
Buchanan - Republican / Conservative establishmentarian
Pierce - Republican / Conservative establishmentarian
Fillmore - Constitution or Tea Party Republican
Taylor - Republican / Moderate establishmentarian
Polk - Republican / Conservative establishmentarian
Tyler - Constitution or Tea Party Republican
Harrison - Republican / Moderate establishmentarian
Van Buren - Libertarian or conservative Democrat
Jackson - Democrat, probably a Blue Dog or populist Democrat
Adams - Republican / Liberal Northeastern Republican
Monroe - Democrat / Conservative Democrat
Madison - Democrat / Conservative Democrat
Jefferson - Green, left-wing Democrat, or Socialist, depending upon what period of his life we're talking about. Jefferson was always something of a political radical, he supported the Jacobins in France, etc.
Adams - Republican / Conservative establishmentarian
Washington - Republican / Conservative establishmentarian

Of course, were all these people resurrected today, probably everyone who served before 1860 would be a member of the Constitution or Libertarian Party, given how integral white supremacy was as a concept in the early Republic. 
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2014, 03:09:52 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2014, 03:12:21 PM by TDAS04 »

I don't know about Rutherford B. Hayes.  He may not have been a strong lefty, but I doubt that the modern GOP would appreciate this comment by the 19th POTUS:

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2014, 03:19:13 PM »

Cleveland and JFK would be GOP'rs today. In fact they'd be Tea Partiers. It's sad many on the left think JFK would stand with them. The guy was a fiscal hawk who believed in sound currency (unlike the left of today).
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2014, 03:23:43 PM »

Cleveland and JFK would be GOP'rs today. In fact they'd be Tea Partiers. It's sad many on the left think JFK would stand with them. The guy was a fiscal hawk who believed in sound currency (unlike the left of today).

So do the Tea Party wish to invade Cuba?
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2014, 03:25:34 PM »

Cleveland and JFK would be GOP'rs today. In fact they'd be Tea Partiers. It's sad many on the left think JFK would stand with them. The guy was a fiscal hawk who believed in sound currency (unlike the left of today).

JFK would definitely be a Democrat, although he'd be a moderate or conservative one, as he was in the 1960s. I agree with you that a liberal or left-wing JFK is wishful thinking on the part of today's progressives, but there's no way he'd be a Republican. I could see him as a Cuomo-Clinton type Democrat, though.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2014, 03:35:30 PM »

Not doing any President before the 20th Century

T. Roosevelt: Democratic
Taft: Republican
Wilson: Democratic
Harding: Republican
Coolidge: Republican
Hoover: Republican
FDR: Democratic
Truman: Democratic
Eisenhower: Democratic or Independent
JFK: Democratic
LBJ: Democratic
Nixon: Democratic
Ford: Democratic
After Carter would be the same 

Um... what? Nixon almost certainly would not be a Democrat.

If he had the political views he had in the 1970s, he'd be some sort of an authoritarian Lieberman-esque Democrat. Of course were Nixon alive to-day he might "adjust" some of his views as is the case in TNF's model.
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