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« on: August 10, 2014, 02:48:17 PM »

She just criticized the Obama administration more for not warmongering than the Bush administration for warmongering.

http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/#
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 02:53:50 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 02:55:32 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.

ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war, which Hillary supported. She supported spending $1 trillion to help bring ISIS to power. We don't need a 3rd term of Bush.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 02:57:43 PM »

Hillary is doing a great job of making me not as unfavorable to Obama. He's looking pretty good compared to her now.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 02:59:01 PM »

This is Hillers one redeeming feature.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 03:01:00 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.

ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war, which Hillary supported. She supported spending $1 trillion to help bring ISIS to power. We don't need a 3rd term of Bush.

They were on their last legs before the ongoing catastrophe in Syria rejuvenated them. ISIS in its present form is largely a product of the Syrian conflict, which the U.S. should not have allowed to fester as it did.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 03:04:00 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.

ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war, which Hillary supported. She supported spending $1 trillion to help bring ISIS to power. We don't need a 3rd term of Bush.

They were on their last legs before the ongoing catastrophe in Syria rejuvenated them. ISIS in its present form is largely a product of the Syrian conflict, which the U.S. should not have allowed to fester as it did.

Are you saying we should have supported Assad?
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 03:04:33 PM »

Hillary Clinton is one of the few Democrats speaking any sense on foreign policy these days. The American left's retreat from supporting human rights and the rule of law abroad has been disgusting.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 03:07:34 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.

ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war, which Hillary supported. She supported spending $1 trillion to help bring ISIS to power. We don't need a 3rd term of Bush.

They were on their last legs before the ongoing catastrophe in Syria rejuvenated them. ISIS in its present form is largely a product of the Syrian conflict, which the U.S. should not have allowed to fester as it did.

Are you saying we should have supported Assad?

Honestly? As much of a moral catastrophe that would be, in practical terms, a quick Assad victory would have been better from a humanitarian standpoint. But no, we should not have supported Assad. We should have supported the Free Syrian Army back in 2011/2012, back before ISIS, but also before al-Nusra became big players in Syria. The result would most likely have been something like Libya today-- not good by any means, but a far cry from the utter disaster that it is today.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 03:10:27 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.

ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war, which Hillary supported. She supported spending $1 trillion to help bring ISIS to power. We don't need a 3rd term of Bush.

They were on their last legs before the ongoing catastrophe in Syria rejuvenated them. ISIS in its present form is largely a product of the Syrian conflict, which the U.S. should not have allowed to fester as it did.

Are you saying we should have supported Assad?

Honestly? As much of a moral catastrophe that would be, in practical terms, a quick Assad victory would have been better from a humanitarian standpoint. But no, we should not have supported Assad. We should have supported the Free Syrian Army back in 2011/2012, back before ISIS, but also before al-Nusra became big players in Syria. The result would most likely have been something like Libya today-- not good by any means, but a far cry from the utter disaster that it is today.

Well, I don't see how anything other than supporting Assad would help make the war not as bad and not encourage ISIS as much.

Anyways, what's the difference between Bush and Hillary on foreign policy? Because I don't see any.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 03:20:08 PM »

Hillary also defended Netanyahu.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 03:22:30 PM »

Hillary isn't perfect on foreign policy, but even on that issue (along with all others), she's better than the Republican president we're sure to have come 2017 if she isn't our next nominee.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 03:25:35 PM »

Hillary isn't perfect on foreign policy, but even on that issue (along with all others), she's better than the Republican president we're sure to have come 2017 if she isn't our next nominee.

Paul isn't as bad as Hillary on foreign policy.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 03:26:11 PM »

Beautiful. The more she speaks on foreign policy, the more I remember why I used to like her. She'll do just fine. Good luck, Rand.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2014, 03:36:50 PM »


Criticizing someone as being too old to be president is probably not a good avenue for her to go down.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2014, 03:44:35 PM »

Hillary is John McCain!
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2014, 03:48:57 PM »


No, actually. The radical islamists who are SLAUGHTERING Christians in Iraq are warmongers.  We're defending humanity against jihadist scum. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2014, 03:54:01 PM »


No, actually. The radical islamists who are SLAUGHTERING Christians in Iraq are warmongers.  We're defending humanity against jihadist scum. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

And thanks to Obama's "overly cautious" foreign policy, the Kurds just took back 2 towns.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/islamic-state_n_5666195.html
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2014, 04:01:21 PM »

Hillary is pro-war on terror and pro-military.  The silver lining if she wins is the Code Pink wing of the Dems loses.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2014, 04:13:18 PM »

This is why Rand Paul polls the best against her, she has a glass jaw on civil liberties and foreign policy
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2014, 04:13:35 PM »

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I don't see what's inaccurate about that statement. If Obama had a chance to go back, I'm sure he would have done Syria differently. The world is justly upset about the 1,000+ people killed in Gaza in the past month, but the 170,000+ people killed in Syria's ongoing civil war is a graver tragedy.

ISIS wouldn't exist without the Iraq war, which Hillary supported. She supported spending $1 trillion to help bring ISIS to power. We don't need a 3rd term of Bush.

You're questioned about how Hillary's completely accurate depiction of the current situation in Syria is wrong, and you respond with "muh Iraq War vote"?
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2014, 04:16:00 PM »

I don't see how wanting to protect our country (and other countries) from terrorism makes one an "unrestrained warmonger." The thing that most of the so-called "True Progressives" on this forum can't seem to understand is that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. When you second-guess a terrorist, that's how innocent lives are lost. Hillary understands this, having watched her constituents attacked on September 11, 2001. Hillary knows that diplomacy is the best policy for negotiating in foreign affairs and understands that war should always be the last option. She has the knowledge and experience to truly understand how the world works having visited over 150 countries during her tenure at Secretary of State. I would trust her more on foreign policy than I would any alleged "dove."
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2014, 04:17:00 PM »

Guys, Obama is certainly no dove, and she is strongly attacking him for not being enough of a warmonger.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2014, 04:17:32 PM »

I don't see how wanting to protect our country (and other countries) from terrorism makes one an "unrestrained warmonger." The thing that most of the so-called "True Progressives" on this forum can't seem to understand is that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. When you second-guess a terrorist, that's how innocent lives are lost. Hillary understands this, having watched her constituents attacked on September 11, 2001. Hillary knows that diplomacy is the best policy for negotiating in foreign affairs and understands that war should always be the last option. She has the knowledge and experience to truly understand how the world works having visited over 150 countries during her tenure at Secretary of State. I would trust her more on foreign policy than I would any alleged "dove."

I just love Heartland Democrats!
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2014, 04:33:20 PM »

Hillary isn't perfect on foreign policy, but even on that issue (along with all others), she's better than the Republican president we're sure to have come 2017 if she isn't our next nominee.

Paul isn't as bad as Hillary on foreign policy.

I disagree, but even if that were true, Hillary would still be a far better president than him.
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