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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2014, 12:32:19 PM »

The American people are mostly warmongers, though.

Have you been paying attention to the polls?
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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2014, 12:49:42 PM »

Trying to train, arm secular factions of the Syrian rebels in a civil war that was already breaking out doesn't really make someone an "unrestrained warmonger". Not sure it would have been effective and neither is Hillary, as she admits. Can't see anything in here causing her political problems either.

On the internet, neocon/warmonger = anyone to the right of Ron Paul on foreign policy. It's starting to become as much of a meaningless buzzword as "neoliberal".
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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2014, 12:55:10 PM »

Anyone who attacks Obama for not bombing enough foreigners is a warmonger.  Obama is bad enough as is.
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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2014, 03:28:58 PM »

I like how a number of the forum's more hackish red avatars are suddenly embracing neo-conservatism now that the 2016 frontrunner for the Democratic nomination is a neo-con Tongue 
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« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2014, 03:40:52 PM »

Hillary Clinton is one of the few Democrats speaking any sense on foreign policy these days. The American left's retreat from supporting human rights and the rule of law abroad has been disgusting.
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« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2014, 05:57:45 PM »

Her positions aren't particularly different from that of a Cold Warrior Democrat. Why is this surprising? 
So you're admitting that Hillary is a neocon?

No because liberal internationalism is not equivalent to neoconservatism.
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« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2014, 06:15:51 PM »

Her positions aren't particularly different from that of a Cold Warrior Democrat. Why is this surprising? 
So you're admitting that Hillary is a neocon?

No because liberal internationalism is not equivalent to neoconservatism.
Democratic Cold Warriors were the original neocons though.
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« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2014, 07:03:18 PM »

This is Hillers one redeeming feature.
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« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2014, 08:00:07 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2014, 08:02:12 PM by seanNJ9 »

She's reminding me why I didn't support her in 2008.

Sadly I don't see any real alternatives.
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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2014, 08:06:00 PM »

Hillary better be careful, it would not be wise to piss of Obamas loyal base.
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« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2014, 10:50:46 PM »

Inside Clinton's decision to show distance from Obama on foreign policy:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/hillary-clinton-takes-president-barack-obama-109887.html?hp=f1

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Clinton advisers don't know how to check polls online without a "polling operation"? LOL!
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« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2014, 10:58:41 PM »

I like how moderate republican are liking Hilary more. Just shows that you neocon and establishment forces are basically just progressives. Leave the GOP please

Yeah... no. There's a reason the establishment is, well, established.
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« Reply #62 on: August 11, 2014, 11:32:47 PM »

Not bad Hillary Smiley
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« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2014, 12:15:17 AM »

Whoever our next President is, their foreign policy views will be dreadful.
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« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2014, 02:19:56 PM »

It makes me think she might not realize how much the Dem Party has changed since Bubba. Oh well, she'll probably win anyway.
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« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2014, 10:33:56 AM »

Clinton and Obama have made up:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/the-obama-clinton-detente-how-long-will-it-last-109970.html?hp=t1

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« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2014, 03:47:15 PM »

Violently agree
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« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2014, 01:56:53 AM »

More making up:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/family-feud-hillary-clinton-gives-new-fodder-old-narrative-n179561

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"Hug it out"?
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« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2014, 11:28:01 AM »

The American people are mostly warmongers, though.

Have you been paying attention to the polls?

Foreign policy is like the death penalty. When we have it, people feel the obligated to get rid of it, but when it's illegal people want to bring it back to punish the heinous criminals. When we intervene in foreign affairs, people whine about "not one more life!!!" But when we aren't intervening, the American people see their leaders as weak. It's a no win battle with the opinions of Americans.
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« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2014, 10:49:38 PM »

This proves that the far left sees Hillary as a "neo conservative." It appears the Democrat Party has moved into socialite type territory.
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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2014, 11:15:10 PM »

*plays the world's smallest violin*

You reap what you sow, America.
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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2014, 11:41:59 PM »

It appears the Democrat Party has moved into socialite type territory.

Well, if you're going to throw a Democrat party, who better than a socialite to organize it?
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« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2014, 01:26:01 AM »

It appears the Democrat Party has moved into socialite type territory.

Well, if you're going to throw a Democrat party, who better than a socialite to organize it?

If Democrats are the socialite party now, that's one more way Rand Paul is bucking GOP orthodoxy.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/08/12/rand-paul-family-commitment/13972009/
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« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2014, 05:47:58 AM »

This proves that the far left sees Hillary as a "neo conservative." It appears the Democrat Party has moved into socialite type territory.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html
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« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2014, 07:50:01 AM »

Breaking foreign policy into pro-war vs. anti-war is extremely stupid, lazy thinking.  There's basically two types of tired logic at work here.  On one hand, there are extremely provincial types who think America is not on the same planet as the rest of the world.  On the other hand, there are leftists who think everything ever is a reaction to American "imperialism" and if only we were nice and friendly, the world would become some sort of paradise. 

The unfortunate truth is that there is no easy way to decide on foreign policy.  There are some obviously idiotic decisions like the Iraq War, but most decisions are in that gray area.  If you look at world politics in this naive, black and white way, you're basically just being a dumb-dumb.  The basis of any reasoned opinion on foreign policy is actually a deep understanding of the international scene.  That actually requires learning and reading, rather than trying to fit the headline news of the moment into your narrative of domestic politics, whether that is "Obama is weak" or "Obama is a warmonger."
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