Opinion of Martin Luther

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Wow, it looks like most people want to blindly follow the Catholic Church. By the way:

Martin Luther was a big anti semite

Ofc by that criteria a good majority of the people born before the 20th Century (at least those were aware of the existence of Judaism) were anti-Semites.

[Lief 🗽]

Horrible. Protestantism is a plague that must be ruthlessly stomped out.

What about my types?

Nah, Hipster Christianity is fine. Also those Protestant black churches that bus their congregation to the polls to re-elect Barack Obama.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Definitely not my favorite reformer, but FF if only for what his movement helped inspire.

[Cory]

Both. Big time.

[Simfan34]

Horrible. Protestantism is a plague that must be ruthlessly stomped out.

Veritas!

[Mr. Illini]

HP (Catholic)

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

[DC Al Fine]

The amount of hate from the Catholic chauvinists is a bit amusing, especially considering the sort of Catholicism they favour and the reform Luther promoted. I seriously doubt Snowstalker and Lief are waxing nostalgic for the Latin mass.

[7,052,770]

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

Tangentially, Thomas More is an Anglican/Episcopal Saint, which is hilarious to me.

[TJ in Oregon]

He started off as a legitimate whistle blower and had it stopped there, he'd be a clear FF, but his reforms led as far as rewriting doctrine, which inevitably is done in one's own image. HP.

Although Luther was undoubtedly a nastier person, I have a higher view of him than Calvin because he was less bent on scorching the earth to rid Christianity of Church doctrine.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I think it's worth noting most of that really terrible anti-Semitic stuff everyone thinks of in regards to him, which was quite awful even by the standards of his time was written after his major reforms, pretty close to his death, and after he had likely contracted syphilis and sustained brain damage. He was probably literally insane at the time he was writing that stuff. He was probably never the most mentally stable individual to begin with but that stuff was not reflective of him during his important times.

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

Tangentially, Thomas More is an Anglican/Episcopal Saint, which is hilarious to me.

Do you think you'll actually find any Episcopalians/Anglicans today who would defend Henry VIII?

[Mr. Illini]

The amount of hate from the Catholic chauvinists is a bit amusing, especially considering the sort of Catholicism they favour and the reform Luther promoted. I seriously doubt Snowstalker and Lief are waxing nostalgic for the Latin mass.

He's a Catholic?

[ingemann]

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

While Sainthood may be a little much, I personal think that the Vatican should set up two statues in the Vatican, one of Luther and one of Garibaldi, because those two men did more for Catholism than almost all the Popes together.

[ingemann]

I think it's worth noting most of that really terrible anti-Semitic stuff everyone thinks of in regards to him, which was quite awful even by the standards of his time was written after his major reforms, pretty close to his death, and after he had likely contracted syphilis and sustained brain damage. He was probably literally insane at the time he was writing that stuff. He was probably never the most mentally stable individual to begin with but that stuff was not reflective of him during his important times.

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

Tangentially, Thomas More is an Anglican/Episcopal Saint, which is hilarious to me.

Do you think you'll actually find any Episcopalians/Anglicans today who would defend Henry VIII?

BRTD stop defend him. Luther was not turned anti-semitic by brain damage or syphilis (where did you hear him get that?), it was a natural evolution of his religious views, where he turned less and less tolerant of other greeds as he grew older (with the exception of the Hussites).

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Not as good as Martin Luther King Jr., that's for sure.

[DC Al Fine]

The amount of hate from the Catholic chauvinists is a bit amusing, especially considering the sort of Catholicism they favour and the reform Luther promoted. I seriously doubt Snowstalker and Lief are waxing nostalgic for the Latin mass.

He's a Catholic?

No but he's a Catholic chauvinist.

[Oakvale]

Horrible. Protestantism is a plague that must be ruthlessly stomped out.

Obviously this.

[7,052,770]

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

Tangentially, Thomas More is an Anglican/Episcopal Saint, which is hilarious to me.

Do you think you'll actually find any Episcopalians/Anglicans today who would defend Henry VIII?

Yes? I don't know? I've never really asked one.

I think it's funny that I guy who literally burned early Anglicans at the stake and never repented is now an Anglican saint, that's all.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Now I remember the time I jokingly suggested he become a saint. Can anyone else imagine the uproar against Francis if he decided to do that?

Tangentially, Thomas More is an Anglican/Episcopal Saint, which is hilarious to me.

Do you think you'll actually find any Episcopalians/Anglicans today who would defend Henry VIII?

Yes? I don't know? I've never really asked one.

Henry VIII is a horrific sinner whose sins God used to inaugurate an institution that eventually became far, far better than any other aspect of his legacy, but only after generations of further sin and turmoil.

[ingemann]

Do you think you'll actually find any Episcopalians/Anglicans today who would defend Henry VIII?

The distinction are that modern Episcopalians/Anglicans have very little in common with the Anglican Church Henry established. It's why they are not willing to defend Henry, while Lutherans and Calvinist are willing to defend their founders, simply because of much of their theology build on the writing of their founders, of course it also help that neither was as obvious horrible people as Henry were.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And in any case it isn't as though Henry VIII was a major influence on the theology of the CofE...

[windjammer]

HP (Catholic)

[Gass3268]

FF (Happy to be not a Catholic)