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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2014, 09:16:40 PM »
« edited: August 15, 2014, 09:20:18 PM by xavier110 »

If she couldn't get the Working Families Party endorsement, why would she win the less-liberal Democratic primary?

Internet "progressives" are convinced that because they think Cuomo is a DINO and a "Republican", all Democrats must hate him.  So says the echo chamber.  Yet independent polling shows Cuomo has wide support among Democrats.  And which type of Democrats like him the most?  Self-described Liberal Democrats, according to the polls.

In many respects, this is no different from the very conservative voters who still opt for Vitter or DesJardins who pay mere lip service to the values they claim to stand for... it's the phenomenon of partisanship at work.

What I find weird, though, is that Cuomo's key is boosting turnout. The more publicized the battle, the more Dems will come vote for him. A low turnout affair only aids the pissed off Teachout slice... so...
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 09:16:55 PM »

If Andrew Cuomo loses the primary, does he still appear on the ballot on the WFP line?
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 09:21:33 PM »

In many respects, this is no different from the very conservative voters who still opt for Vitter or DesJardins... it's the phenomenon of partisanship at work.

What I find weird, though, is that Cuomo's key is boosting turnout. The more publicized the battle, the more Dems will come vote for him. A low turnout affair only aids the pissed off Teachout slice... so...

Low turnout doesn't necessarily help Teachout.  Low turnout in NY primaries usually means that only the party bosses and their underlings are voting, which helps the person actually nominated by the party - Cuomo.

If Andrew Cuomo loses the primary, does he still appear on the ballot on the WFP line?

Unless he turns it down. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 10:32:25 PM »

If she couldn't get the Working Families Party endorsement, why would she win the less-liberal Democratic primary?

Because very few people are actually registered WFP. Most of the WFP Committee Members are aligned with WFP due to association with a certain interest group, usually a union. There was pressure from individual unions to back Cuomo. And NY's progressive base still lies in the Democratic Party…WFP is instrumental in Democratic primaries through endorsements and field organizing, but not necessarily in determining the pulse of the Democratic wing of the party.

And I don't love Cuomo but I do not feel that Zephyr Teachout has earned the governorship at all. There are many talented individuals in New York who could have given Cuomo a serious, sincere, and substantive challenge.
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2014, 01:55:05 AM »

Guys, obviously Teachout is not going to win. I don't think anyone thinks she's going to win. It's just about sending a message and making sure that Cuomo gets to claim as small a mandate as possible.
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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2014, 02:05:37 PM »
« Edited: August 17, 2014, 02:08:57 PM by TTS1996 »

How can anyone take someone called Zephyr Rain Teachout seriously?

How can anyone take someone called TTS1996 seriously? What are you, a calculator?
What the f u u ck are you on about? My name isn't actually TTS1996, any more than yours is actually Panda Express, but hers is apparently Zephyr Rain Teachout, which is NOT A REAL NAME.
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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2014, 02:30:57 PM »

How can anyone take someone called Zephyr Rain Teachout seriously?

How can anyone take someone called TTS1996 seriously? What are you, a calculator?
What the f u u ck are you on about? My name isn't actually TTS1996, any more than yours is actually Panda Express, but hers is apparently Zephyr Rain Teachout, which is NOT A REAL NAME.

Defensive much, bro?
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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2014, 03:11:19 PM »

How can anyone take someone called Zephyr Rain Teachout seriously?

How can anyone take someone called TTS1996 seriously? What are you, a calculator?
What the f u u ck are you on about? My name isn't actually TTS1996, any more than yours is actually Panda Express, but hers is apparently Zephyr Rain Teachout, which is NOT A REAL NAME.

This isn't Iceland. People can be named whatever they damn well want.
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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2014, 02:16:31 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.
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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2014, 04:53:58 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.

That would be an incredible boost to her campaign, and a shocking one.
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2014, 05:12:50 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.

That would be an incredible boost to her campaign, and a shocking one.

Genuine question- when was the last time a newspaper endorsement dramatically changed the course of an election?
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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2014, 09:44:50 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.

That would be an incredible boost to her campaign, and a shocking one.

Genuine question- when was the last time a newspaper endorsement dramatically changed the course of an election?

The Washington Post endorsement was a big part of Craig Deeds primary victory in 2009, IIRC
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2014, 09:46:54 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.

That would be an incredible boost to her campaign, and a shocking one.

Genuine question- when was the last time a newspaper endorsement dramatically changed the course of an election?

Well, not dramatically, but it's possible that the NY Times endorsement made the difference when Ned Lamont primaried Joe Lieberman.
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2014, 03:46:57 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.

That would be an incredible boost to her campaign, and a shocking one.

Genuine question- when was the last time a newspaper endorsement dramatically changed the course of an election?

Well, not dramatically, but it's possible that the NY Times endorsement made the difference when Ned Lamont primaried Joe Lieberman.

Statewide, you are right, it won't affect the race. But there are certain communities that are known as the NYT Editorial areas, where the NYT nod almost always helps Council candidates etc clinch the nominations. The Upper West Side (especially), Upper East Side, Park Slope, Downtown Brooklyn, etc, have huge turnout #s even in uncompetitive, and the NYT endorsement could earn Teachout thousands of votes in these high turnout communities. You have to keep in mind that though Cuomo has a huge war-chest, his support among prime Democrats is tepid, and many don't even realize there is a primary.
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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2014, 05:41:02 PM »

Hearing rumblings that NYT may endorse her.

That would be an incredible boost to her campaign, and a shocking one.

Genuine question- when was the last time a newspaper endorsement dramatically changed the course of an election?

Well, not dramatically, but it's possible that the NY Times endorsement made the difference when Ned Lamont primaried Joe Lieberman.

Statewide, you are right, it won't affect the race. But there are certain communities that are known as the NYT Editorial areas, where the NYT nod almost always helps Council candidates etc clinch the nominations. The Upper West Side (especially), Upper East Side, Park Slope, Downtown Brooklyn, etc, have huge turnout #s even in uncompetitive, and the NYT endorsement could earn Teachout thousands of votes in these high turnout communities. You have to keep in mind that though Cuomo has a huge war-chest, his support among prime Democrats is tepid, and many don't even realize there is a primary.

The NYT endorsement could have particular effect in this race, even beyond the normal bump in prestige, name recognition, legitimacy, and aid in recruiting volunteers and donors. A lot of Democrats upset with Cuomo may have some very serious (and frankly legitimate) concerns about casting a protest vote for someone named "Zephyr Rain Teachout", perceiving them to be another "Rent's Too Damn High" kook. The NYT blessing would do much to give her much-needed credibility.
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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2014, 06:54:02 PM »

Yeah a NYT endorsement will singlehandedly bring Teachout into the mainstream.
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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2014, 07:16:28 PM »

The most interesting (and highly possible) prospect sans a Zephyr surge through MSM endorsements is Cuomo winning but Hochul, who has no base among Dem primary voters, losing.
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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2014, 07:23:35 PM »

I got my schedule for classes next semester and I'm actually taking a Copyright class with Wu. I hope he doesn't cancel it if he beats Hochul.
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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2014, 08:04:34 PM »

So is this a serious campaign now?

Only in the eyes of some liberals on this forum.

And only the second largest public employee union in the state.

http://www.thenation.com/article/181289/how-zephyr-teachout-became-contender#

I am voting for Cuomo but I really think Zephyr could alter the landscape, especially if she wins counties.

Here's the thing….
Counties upstate... with conservative Democrats who don't pay much attention to "downstate" politics may vote against Cuomo in the primary because they don't support Cuomo's gun policies etc. See Gillibrand and Gail Goode, a no-name challenger who wound up doing better upstate than downstate despite her running to the left of Gillibrand.

Counties downstate… NYC, Long Island, Hudson Suburbs (Westchester, Rockland etc) will anchor Cuomo in his re-election, but, many of these Working Families Party-esque voters will support Teachout, and now she has inroads with Diane Ravitch, PCCC, and the Public Employees Federation.


The danger, as I said before, also lies with Hochul. She is meeting largely with elected officials (not much with voters), and Wu may earn support from communities that would be glad to see the first ever Asian-American statewide official in NY.

why are you voting for Cuomo he's awful?

with that out of the way, I think it's an awesome stick in the eye to Cuomo that NOW NY endorsed Teachout after he did his pathetic astroturf "Women's Equality Party" ballot line that Chris Quinn was involved in.

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« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2014, 09:03:09 PM »

UPDATE:

New York State NOW (National Organization of Women) just backed Teachout. She continues to rack in establishment support…

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/219249/state-now-chapter-endorses-teachout/
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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2014, 09:41:31 PM »

UPDATE:

New York State NOW (National Organization of Women) just backed Teachout. She continues to rack in establishment support…

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/219249/state-now-chapter-endorses-teachout/

Teachoutmentum!
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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2014, 10:58:20 PM »

And the NYT continues its Teachout coverage!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/nyregion/cuomo-opponent-unbowed-by-underdog-status.html?referrer=&_r=0
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« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2014, 02:07:55 AM »

My prediction:

82% Cuomo
17% Teachout
  1% Credico
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« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2014, 08:45:47 AM »

No one (well, a handful) will say "I'm voting for Teachout because NYT endorsed her" BUT a NYT endorsement would generate incredible coverage for Teachout's campaign (probably even nationally, to be honest) and that would aid her a great deal.  It would be a game changer that could make the race a lot closer than anyone thought it would get.  I don't see her getting their endorsement, though, but maybe I'm wrong.
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« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2014, 03:10:48 PM »

My prediction:
68% Cuomo
30% Teachout
2% Credico
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