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« on: August 16, 2014, 05:30:40 PM »

Really since the advent of Air Conditioning and the explosion of cheap suburbia in the the post WW2 world, the population of the US has seen an explosion in the 'sun belt' with huge swathes of Yankees moving to places like Texas, Arizona and Florida. PA for example, has lost electoral votes every reappointment since the 1930's, NY lost another 2 electoral votes while Texas continues to boom.

Is there ever going to be a reverse of the trend here where people actually move back to good old Yankeedom ? One possible idea could be with global warming and future water shortages, that the Sunbelt could be more unpleasant place to live in.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 05:39:29 PM »

No. The north will lose people until there are literally negative numbers of people there and the entire human population will live in suburban Dallas.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 05:40:45 PM »

Really since the advent of Air Conditioning and the explosion of cheap suburbia in the the post WW2 world, the population of the US has seen an explosion in the 'sun belt' with huge swathes of Yankees moving to places like Texas, Arizona and Florida. PA for example, has lost electoral votes every reappointment since the 1930's, NY lost another 2 electoral votes while Texas continues to boom.

Is there ever going to be a reverse of the trend here where people actually move back to good old Yankeedom ? One possible idea could be with global warming and future water shortages, that the Sunbelt could be more unpleasant place to live in.

This could be a possibility 30 or 40 years from now. Though just as likely, people move to the Northwest as well.


No. The north will lose people until there are literally negative numbers of people there and the entire human population will live in suburban Dallas.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 05:49:45 PM »

No. The north will lose people until there are literally negative numbers of people there and the entire human population will live in suburban Dallas.

lol my worst nightmare.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 05:53:09 PM »

Obv it won't happen until they cut education funding, destroy their infrastructure and hand out corporate welfare. Pro-job policies that are drawing people to Texas, never mind states with similar policies that are losing residents like Mississippi.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2014, 07:04:18 PM »

There are parts of the North that are growing at the moment- see most of the West. Though that's obviously not what you're talking about.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 09:06:28 PM »

Unless conservation is increased dramatically through changes in individual behavior, official policies/mandates, and/or technological breakthroughs, the southwest is eventually going to hit a breaking point when it comes to the water supply available down there.  Once that happens, people will start fleeing back to the north.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2014, 09:47:58 PM »

Is there ever going to be a reverse of the trend here where people actually move back to good old Yankeedom ? One possible idea could be with global warming and future water shortages, that the Sunbelt could be more unpleasant place to live in.

Yeah, there was a Slate article that I posted here some time ago which speculated that if climate change got particularly bad, it's possible that the Great Lakes region could become the most livable region of the US.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2014, 10:19:56 PM »

No. The north will lose people until there are literally negative numbers of people there and the entire human population will live in suburban Dallas.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2014, 05:02:39 PM »

75+ years out, climate change could make most of the Sunbelt unlivable and give the Frost Belt a pleasant, temperate climate.
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2014, 05:16:33 PM »

75+ years out, climate change could make most of the Sunbelt unlivable and give the Frost Belt a pleasant, temperate climate.
But would they have the 4 seasons like on Baffin Island?
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2014, 05:18:34 PM »

Is St. Louis ever going to return to the glory days of the 1904 World's Fair?
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2014, 06:28:23 PM »

The population loss in the old North will reverse when people have a reason to move there: jobs. There are easier places in the US to find a job, create a job, or to start over after hitting rock bottom, than the northeast or the Rustbelt.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2014, 09:49:27 PM »
« Edited: September 06, 2014, 07:02:53 AM by memphis »

Is St. Louis ever going to return to the glory days of the 1904 World's Fair?
I wish they would! St Louis has some of the most underappreciated residential architecture of any American city. So much old dark red brick crafted into beautiful homes. The local style is a weird hybrid of Italianate and Second Empire, all done in brick. It would be amazing to see thousands of yuppies restore it all.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2014, 03:54:11 PM »

75+ years out, climate change could make most of the Sunbelt unlivable and give the Frost Belt a pleasant, temperate climate.

If only if only...
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2014, 11:20:57 PM »

They've had pictures on the news showing Lake Mead at dozens of feet below its normal depth. Also, millions of acres of farmland in California are getting little to no water this year. Padfoot and Mr. Morden are right, the wettest areas of the Country will become desirable again, even though many of them have long winters. I don't know how this will affect the Pacific Northwest, but I hope Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Maine get lots of new residents.

Pennsylvania hasn't grown at a rate faster than the national average since the 1900-1910 Decade

Maine has only done so once since the 1820's.

Is St. Louis ever going to return to the glory days of the 1904 World's Fair?

Its disgraceful that Mesa has more people than Saint Louis. That Aurora, CO has more than Buffalo. Meet Me In St. Louis makes me nostalgic in more than one way.

Although part of this is because the Eastern Cities couldn't annex neighboring suburbs. If Hartford was able to merge with the wealthy suburb of West Hartford, or New Haven with West, East and North Havens, those cities would nearly double their populations and have better economies and tax bases. Of course then there would be even more white flight but at some point the commutes for most people would become unacceptable
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2014, 08:53:46 AM »

I think some parts certainly will. For example, the Great Lakes states seem primed for a comeback in 40-ish years, on a account of being fairly affordable alternatives to the overpriced dense cities of the Northeast and Northwest. Also retirees.

I think the south seems fairly resilient population-wise, but the southwest could see some big losses.
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