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Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook
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« on: August 18, 2014, 03:46:37 PM »
Is there anyone you concider to be both a FF and a HP?
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Grumpier Than Thou
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 03:59:30 PM »
I don't really know...Brian Schweitzer, maybe? He has FF and HP qualities, but I don't consider him an HP at all.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 04:12:11 PM »
LBJ is the canonical example of this.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 04:24:31 PM »
Thomas Jefferson probably fits pretty well into this category.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 04:25:05 PM »
Martin Luther to borrow from another thread.  Also maybe Teddy Roosevelt for some of his racial views and belief in imperialism...
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 04:25:41 PM »

Wow, how did I miss this one? Jeez.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 04:27:11 PM »

Well there's the fact that LBJ was not an FF in any sense of the word.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 04:27:31 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 04:28:23 PM »
Quote from: PPT TNF on August 18, 2014, 04:27:11 PM

Well there's the fact that LBJ was not an FF in any sense of the word.

Civil Rights Act, bro?

Other than that yeah he's pretty horrible.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 04:34:15 PM »
The CRA was less the result of conscious action by LBJ than it was action on the streets by activists who risked their lives to see it become a reality. Any person in office who didn't sign off on that risked political suicide, which is something I think LBJ readily understood.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2014, 04:36:38 PM »
« Edited: August 18, 2014, 04:38:21 PM by Speaker SWE »
FDR and Andrew Jackson
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2014, 04:49:02 PM »
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and Narendra Modi first spring to mind.

I expect some could argue Oliver Cromwell, but I think his genocide of the Irish puts him beyond the pale.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2014, 04:52:09 PM »
Éamon de Valera, to some extent?
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2014, 05:03:49 PM »
Gandhi is someone who overall is a FF, but certainly had some HP qualities.
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2014, 05:07:50 PM »
Beyond some of those already mentioned.

David ben Gurion (all though more FF than HP). Yassir Arafat. Bill Clinton. Menachem Begin (mostly HP, but did fight for the freedom of his people and made peace with Egypt). Fidel Castro (literal FF to begin with). Hugo Chavez. Ernst Jünger. Sigmund Freud. Mother Theresa. Machiavelli. Roussau. Christian II of Denmark.

Even Gandhi and MLK had HP sides in their personal life.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2014, 05:13:41 PM »
Oh yes, and Winston Churchill (FF for obvious reasons, but a total failure at most WWII activities.  Nasser of Egypt as well.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2014, 05:33:31 PM »
I think Andrew Jackson fits the title better than many prominent figures in history.

Mother Teresa is a good example, as well.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2014, 05:55:09 PM »
Lech Walesa? IDK.
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2014, 06:10:52 PM »
Every single person on Earth.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2014, 06:56:35 PM »
Quote from: PPT TNF on August 18, 2014, 04:34:15 PM
The CRA was less the result of conscious action by LBJ than it was action on the streets by activists who risked their lives to see it become a reality. Any person in office who didn't sign off on that risked political suicide, which is something I think LBJ readily understood.

Ugh, this is also true.

I guess even George Wallace would've signed it if he was elected in 1960.
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2014, 06:59:21 PM »
Quote from: CrabCake on August 18, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
...Narendra Modi first spring to mind.

In what universe is Narendra Modi an FF? (especially considering your criteria on Oliver Cromwell)
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2014, 07:00:05 PM »
I would say FDR qualified.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2014, 07:00:38 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2014, 07:14:25 PM »
Quote from: PPT TNF on August 18, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
Thomas Jefferson probably fits pretty well into this category.
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2014, 08:33:12 PM »
Fidel Castro
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