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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2014, 09:36:50 PM »

I remember Al pointing out that Indira Gandhi was quite literally both.
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2014, 09:38:43 PM »

I remember Al pointing out that Indira Gandhi was quite literally both.

That's a good one too.
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2014, 09:39:52 PM »

No mention of Woodrow Wilson?
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2014, 09:46:42 PM »


He's an HP, and only an HP. Tongue
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2014, 10:07:48 PM »

lol no
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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2014, 10:27:33 PM »

The CRA was less the result of conscious action by LBJ than it was action on the streets by activists who risked their lives to see it become a reality. Any person in office who didn't sign off on that risked political suicide, which is something I think LBJ readily understood.

LBJ didn't do all that Civil Rights stuff for only political reasons; his own anti-racism was also a factor.
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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2014, 10:32:50 PM »


but muh cuban pride
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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2014, 10:40:53 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2014, 10:44:41 PM »

I guess it's unfair for me to deride Snowstalker and than say Nixon....but Nixon Tongue.
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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2014, 10:47:14 PM »

I guess it's unfair for me to deride Snowstalker and than say Nixon....but Nixon Tongue.

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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2014, 11:16:32 PM »

I'm going to go there and say:

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« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2014, 11:25:11 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2014, 07:33:23 AM »

You can argue, that Bismarck also did some good, but does "is also making some good" make one an Atlas "freedom fighter" already?
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2014, 10:26:11 AM »


You don't think overthrowing the oppressive Batista regime and ending the half-a-century-long exploitation of Cuba by the United States puts one into 'freedom fighter' territory?
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2014, 11:35:08 AM »

Rand Paul, though his FF-ness is scarce.
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2014, 11:49:52 AM »

The CRA was less the result of conscious action by LBJ than it was action on the streets by activists who risked their lives to see it become a reality. Any person in office who didn't sign off on that risked political suicide, which is something I think LBJ readily understood.

LBJ didn't do all that Civil Rights stuff for only political reasons; his own anti-racism was also a factor.

You would have a point if he hadn't been a huge racist...
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2014, 12:05:14 PM »

LBJ and Andrew Jackson are the best examples; also good ones are FDR (though more on the FF side) and Nixon (though more on the HP side), also this:

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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2014, 07:55:05 PM »

How about John Paul II? Friend of fascists, ended the Cold War.
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2014, 03:24:08 AM »

Jay Nixon.
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2014, 04:47:24 AM »

...Narendra Modi first spring to mind.

In what universe is Narendra Modi an FF? (especially considering your criteria on Oliver Cromwell)

Don't get me wrong, I think morally he's a sh*tstain. Nobody can defend the riots and his online cult attempting to do so makes me cringe.

But I think in a non-ethnic way he has a lot of potential. His goals - especially infrastructure building, rural electrification and the massive expansion of renewable - are entirely respectable and pragmatic.
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« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2014, 04:50:42 AM »

Wilson, LBJ, and Huey Long are all ones that are somewhat more FF than HP.
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« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2014, 12:32:18 PM »

As others have said, Jefferson, LBJ, and Huey Long qualify.  I would also add William Jennings Bryan, Ralph Nader during his 2000 campaign, Ted Kennedy, Julian Assange, and Ariel Sharon (hides under desk).
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