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Question: If all 50 states went to war, which one would win?
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Alabama
 
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Alaska
 
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Arizona
 
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Arkansas
 
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California
 
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Colorado
 
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Conncticut
 
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Delaware
 
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Florida
 
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Georgia
 
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Hawaii
 
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Idaho
 
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Illinois
 
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Indiana
 
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Iowa
 
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Kansas
 
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Kentucky
 
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Louisiana
 
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Maine
 
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Maryland
 
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Massachusetts
 
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Michigan
 
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Minnesota
 
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Mississippi
 
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Missouri
 
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Montana
 
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Nebraska
 
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Nevada
 
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New Hampshire
 
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New Jersey
 
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New Mexico
 
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New York
 
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North Carolina
 
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North Dakota
 
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Ohio
 
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Oklahoma
 
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Oregon
 
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Pennsylvania
 
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Rhode Island
 
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South Carolina
 
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South Dakota
 
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Tennessee
 
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Texas
 
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Utah
 
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Vermont
 
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Virginia
 
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Washington
 
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West Virginia
 
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Wisconsin
 
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Wyoming
 
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« on: August 18, 2014, 07:34:18 PM »

Let's see what Atlas Forum thinks
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 07:35:02 PM »

Probably Texas.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 07:35:55 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 07:41:01 PM »

Delaware
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 07:46:10 PM »

Alaska, Hawaii, or Puerto Rico.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 07:50:14 PM »

I'd go with Texas.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 09:02:49 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 09:04:22 PM »

Alaska
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 09:37:01 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 09:48:39 PM »

Do they get the military assets currently in their state?  Whichever state figures out how to work their nukes would win.  Probably Louisiana as they not only have the birds and the bombs, they've also got fighters to protect them.

If they get to keep their military assets, but nukes are not to be used, then probably Texas or California....outside chance for Virginia.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2014, 09:52:25 PM »

Virginia or South Carolina.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2014, 10:19:49 PM »

Texas, Virginia, California, New York would be the top 4 I think.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2014, 10:37:39 AM »

California, obviously.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2014, 12:16:28 PM »

Invading Alaska would be like invading Russia.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2014, 01:08:08 PM »

Virginia, of course.

But don't mess with Texas.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2014, 01:20:30 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2014, 01:25:40 PM »

Ohio, obviously Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2014, 07:43:29 AM »

Texas.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2014, 09:45:06 AM »

California. While I think it can hold its own on many aspects, I would not underestimate the power of cyberwarfare. On that, converting the technological power of Silicon Valley to a total war mobilization could provide for massive advantages.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2014, 10:40:36 AM »

Invading Alaska would be like invading Russia.

Not at all; its population is almost entirely coastal.
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2014, 11:20:37 AM »

Montana, Wyoming, Colorado...the ones with the nuke silos or SSBN pens.  The big states population wise would be toast in short order.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2014, 12:27:43 PM »

It depends on which states' leaders are willing to go how far to win. In theory it could be whichever state gets its hands on the President's football first, whichever is quickest in salvaging fissile material from the warheads to create radiological weapons, or - in the case of Georgia - the government's willingness (or lack thereof) to risk setting off a global smallpox pandemic.

Even the slightest of possibilities of in-fighting between American republics illustrates once again how utterly batsh**t insane it is for a country to maintain advanced, sizable arsenals of WMDs.

It would not be a long enough conflict - hours or at most a few days - so the populations, economies, and technological prowess of each state would have negligible affects on the outcomes. If you want to explore another hypothetical of the states creating alliances I guess it would get a lot more complicated.
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2014, 12:43:52 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2014, 01:07:15 PM by angus »

Hard call.  I think states like California, Texas, Florida, and New York would have the edge in population.  Additionally California and Texas could feed their populations for an extended period without food import.  The Northeast has the largest share of defense contractors, but they're not concentrated in one single state, so California and Texas have an edge here as well.  Both states also have very long coastlines with several ports and could probably import by sea if necessary.  I think it comes down to those two, so let's compare them.

California has 37 million residents while Texas has about 25 million.  Advantage:  California.  Texas has a very weak governorship which might hamstring it with regards to executive command decisions, but California has a very litigious process that also might hamper its efforts.  No advantage.  Both states have large information technology sectors.  California at the moment has a larger share, but a number of companies have left in favor of lower taxes and less permitting bureaucracy in Texas.  At the present time the advantage lies with California in this regard.  Texas has the ground force advantage with five major army bases, compared to California's three.  California has a naval advantage with 12 major Navy or Marine Corps bases compared to Texas' two.  Texas has eight Air Forces bases while California has five.  Overall, they are both well manned in this regard.  California only has to defend its borders against three enemy states, while Texas borders four other US states, although the states bordering California have a larger combined population.  Slight advantage to Texas in this regard.  California has a slight edge in recruiting, since it sends a slightly larger number of men and women into the armed forces, but it is not proportional to its population advantage.  Texas definitely has the edge with regard to arming civilian populations.  Texas ranks 33 among the states, while California ranks 44, for per-capita gun ownership according to the NICS.  Advantage:  Texas.  (By a different measure, from USACarry.com, Texas ranks 30 and California ranks 42.)  Also, California has a well-established system of binding popular referenda, which means that if folks get sick and tired of war, all they have to do is vote to end it.  Texas will have to do what its bellicose legislature decides, which I'd imagine would be to fight to the last man.  Advantage:  Texas. 

Overall, excepting a war of attrition fought by all residents (in which California would have the advantage), I'd give the edge to Texas.  
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2014, 12:59:26 PM »

California. While I think it can hold its own on many aspects, I would not underestimate the power of cyberwarfare. On that, converting the technological power of Silicon Valley to a total war mobilization could provide for massive advantages.

Except that in this scenario, I could see the Bay Area tech population boarding Elon Musk solar-powered hovercraft and fleeing to a recently-purchased South Pacific island to live in anarcho-capitalist utopia rather than defend the dirty, non-innovating masses who inhabit the rest of the state.
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2014, 01:59:52 PM »

Israel.
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