Kerry was 1, Edwards was 4. what about these people

[dazzleman]

Still trying to figure out what's bad about being liberal.

Nothing, as long as you hate everything this country was founded on, want judges to just make sh**t up since our country's traditions and culture are outdated, believe in consolidating all relevant law-making power of any kind in the federal government, and strongly favor legalized theft.

That pretty much sums up what's wrong with contemporary American liberalism.  That's why it's bad to be a liberal.  Pragmatically speaking, politicians that get tagged with the liberal label can't be elected president, while a conservative can be.  The last self-described liberal in the White House was Lyndon B. Johnson.  Every president since has disavowed liberalism in order to be elected.

[phk]

Example: Bill of Rights applying to the states. One hundred years passed before Supreme Court justices decided to change the meaning of the 14th amendment's due process clause (already well over 40 years old at the time) so that it somehow magically applied the federal Bill of Rights to the states. That insanity has lead to the mass consolidation of power in the federal judiciary.

Good thing

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Good thing.

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Good thing.

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What the hell are the 'federalist papers'?  This is a good thing.

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All good things.

Liberalism is good.  Without it the majority of people are much worse off and the country is much less free. 

So, Going completely against the framers' intent, and trashing the Constitution is a good thing?   Interesting.

The Founding Fathers are, wait for it, DEAD. They have been for quite a few years, two hundred at least. They had some great vision and impetus for their time; however, they presided over the formation of what was originally a stopgap Constitution (it was, by the way) for a globally near-irrelevant coastal agrarian nation of four million people.

In addition, they held slaves, relegated their wives to a second-class status, and had no problem devising methods by which to help ensure that only the wealthiest classes had true power. Times have changed in the intervening 230 years.

If you don't think things can change in 230 years, then I'm afraid we can't yet forgive Germany for murdering six million Jews (or, rather, we can't even acknowledge that Otto von Bismarck united the German nation in the first place, or that France and England aren't monarchies anymore, or that Japan is no longer an isolationsit country, or that this messageboard even exists).

I'd love to see "We Hate the British" emblazoned across the front of the Capitol. I mean, our nation was founded on dissatisfaction with the British, and it was mentioned far more than God in the Declaration of Independence, and all of the Framers were together on disapproving of English rule (more so than they were on religion and its role in government).

[ian]

That stat was idiotic

I agree.