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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2014, 06:16:32 PM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=176810.msg3819194#msg3819194

What do you guys think?

I am pretty sure that free call services are in place as well (in before our never to be pleased friends drop by again Wink) Tongue

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2014, 01:50:41 AM »

Oh yes, well then I guess clause 8 of my amendment is void Wink
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2014, 02:46:16 PM »

Sponsor has declared the amendment friendly, Senators have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2014, 06:47:44 PM »

Oh yes, well then I guess clause 8 of my amendment is void Wink

Not necessarily. There could be a purpose to renewing from an atlasian standpoint what is a holdover from RL satute and it might even be something.
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2014, 06:56:24 PM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2014, 01:59:17 AM »

Oh yes, well then I guess clause 8 of my amendment is void Wink

Not necessarily. There could be a purpose to renewing from an atlasian standpoint what is a holdover from RL satute and it might even be something.

So would you change some of the language, or could we leave it that way?
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2014, 06:27:21 PM »

Oh yes, well then I guess clause 8 of my amendment is void Wink

Not necessarily. There could be a purpose to renewing from an atlasian standpoint what is a holdover from RL satute and it might even be something.

So would you change some of the language, or could we leave it that way?

At most we could just repeal any existing statutes on the matter. I know of none in Atlas since my Comprehensive bill failed, if it had not that would be different. So they would be RL holdovers.
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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2014, 01:57:28 AM »

Oh yes, well then I guess clause 8 of my amendment is void Wink

Not necessarily. There could be a purpose to renewing from an atlasian standpoint what is a holdover from RL satute and it might even be something.

So would you change some of the language, or could we leave it that way?

At most we could just repeal any existing statutes on the matter. I know of none in Atlas since my Comprehensive bill failed, if it had not that would be different. So they would be RL holdovers.

Okay. I guess you should offer that amendment, after all it's your bill Wink
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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2014, 10:34:22 AM »

What's next here, Yankee?
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2014, 06:25:33 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2014, 11:07:11 AM »

Senators have 24 hours to object to the proposed amendment.
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2014, 07:28:45 AM »

No objection, but why was the Robin Williams Memorial part in the title scratched? I guess that would be a good fitting name for it, the current is a bit bulky, I'd say.
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2014, 02:51:22 PM »

I agree with that, but a celebrity like Robin Williams naturally attracts interest, and might help to raise a awareness of the problems he suffered, if we are able to conduct it in the right way, which we do with this bill, I'd think so at least.
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2014, 04:26:51 PM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2014, 05:31:41 PM »
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Because when someone commits suicide, you should not memorialize that person in a way that focuses attention on the cause of death. Look at the CDC guidelines or any other instructions on how to cover suicide without encouraging imitators. It'd be awful to pass a bill focused on getting the media to cover this issue correctly while ignoring the basic tenets that we hope they will follow.

We are not a media organization, we are a legislative body and there it is a false equivalency in my view. We honor his memory by seeking to target the things that drive it and discourage/prevent such copy cats, not popularizing his manner of death just for its own sake, but turn the focused attention towards materially improving the situation. We already have such standards in place, this merely updates and ensures they are in line with the latest research.

I would also say that if such guidelines are in place to the extent you say, they are not being followed at all in RL. It is thus my assumption that the same is the case here and thus why this and the title made sense. Every story I saw emphasized his manner of departure. If such is the norm, then it would be a disservice to then avoid utilizing the opportunity to discourage future suicides out of a fear of further popularizing the event, that ship has sailed. It is already out there. Hell, our local news coverage even utilized the event to hold a panel discussion on mental health and depression. Therefore, hinging off the event to improve these standards, I find to be very appropriate in light of the reality of what and how this is being reported, at least from what I have seen.

I still think the concern is either misplaced or misdirected, however accurate it may be in general or in other circumstances.
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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2014, 05:33:58 PM »

Cranberry, do you think we should extend the repeal of past legislation to rest of the terms of the bill? It is rather nonspecific and I would prefer to avoid such blanket sweeps without including bill titles, though. On the other hand the concern about duplication or cross-purposes would be  potentially present.

What do you think?
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2014, 02:44:19 AM »

I agree with that, but a celebrity like Robin Williams naturally attracts interest, and might help to raise a awareness of the problems he suffered, if we are able to conduct it in the right way, which we do with this bill, I'd think so at least.

Every source on the subject would tell you that it's a bad idea, especially when talking about a celebrity.

Well yes, I did not know that. Thank you.


Cranberry, do you think we should extend the repeal of past legislation to rest of the terms of the bill? It is rather nonspecific and I would prefer to avoid such blanket sweeps without including bill titles, though. On the other hand the concern about duplication or cross-purposes would be  potentially present.

What do you think?

Probably it's better that way, though maybe it would be better if we found a few bills that would be repealed that way, to give us an idea what we talk about? I will be trying to find something this weekend, as for now, I'd say we should increase clause 9's scope to the total bill.
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2014, 04:53:59 PM »

Not having internet makes independent research impossible. There was a Mental Health Services bill or some such passed by President Carter, though perhaps doing it based on the individual points (hotlines, media standards etc), will yield quicker, more focused results.
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2014, 12:46:48 PM »

Maybe (most likely) it's just me being to dumb to find anything, but I did not find a single act dealing with the issues dealt with in this bill... I didn't see Carter's/Kennedy's bill interfere with this one, given though I did not read the whole title, let alone I did in no way comprehend everything I actually read (some parts I thought dealt with similar things as that on, e g a section setting guidelines for mental health care centres, but nothing dealing especially with suicide prevention ), due to the language barrier I suspect.
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2014, 06:34:39 PM »

Post a link to the text and I or someone else if I don't have time can review it if you are unsure.

I suggest Nix since he seems rather concerned about this bill. Or Polnut, who has always been rather concerned about this issue.
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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2014, 12:10:45 PM »

Yes, probably someone else could scan over it, to be sure. Here's the link, the text is downloadable as PDF.
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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2014, 06:11:32 PM »

Now PM one or both of those and/or maybe Duke and ask them whether or not there is any areas of overlap between the two in their opinion based on their reading of the present text and the linked text posted. I am short on time today so I probably won't have time to contact them directly, unfortunately.
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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2014, 06:15:15 PM »

I'm reading it now... send help if I'm not back by winter.
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2014, 06:27:28 PM »

I wish I could share in the misery. Can't tell how much I would trade that kind of misery for the type I have to face when I return home tonight.
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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2014, 09:10:26 PM »

Bump! Any progress made on the research?
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