Peace and Prosperity Act of 2014 (Voting on Amendment)

[Deus Naturae]

I object. We shouldn't attempt to push a political system on another country any more than we should attempt to push a social or economic system.

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Senators, an objection to the proposed amendment has been filed by Senator Deus. A vote is now open on the proposed amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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Aye

[Deus Naturae]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This amendment has not been on the floor the requisite 24 hours of minimum debate time to proceed to a vote.

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This amendment has not been on the floor the requisite 24 hours of minimum debate time to proceed to a vote.

My apologies. I'll halt the vote, then. I was under the assumption that we were good to go ahead for a vote since we already had an objection filed.

[Lumine]

Bump! (I believe the time has passed)

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It has. Thank you for bumping this, Senator Lumine. A vote is now open on the proposed amendment (for real this time). Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This amendment has not been on the floor the requisite 24 hours of minimum debate time to proceed to a vote.

My apologies. I'll halt the vote, then. I was under the assumption that we were good to go ahead for a vote since we already had an objection filed.

The theory is that it provides an opportunity to debate or negotiate the objection away, before getting tied down by procedure having to open a vote. Of course until a few months ago, these votes were five days long and if one could be avoid that was certainly the preference.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Abstain

But I worry what "expansion of Democratic Gov't" entails a as a commitment and just what means are on the table for that.

I object. We shouldn't attempt to push a political system on another country any more than we should attempt to push a social or economic system.

I agree we cannot plant a system with bayonets, but is any form of encouragement or promotion shall we say acceptable?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

AYE

[Deus Naturae]

Nay

[Cranberry]

Aye

[Cassius]

Nay

[bore]

Aye

[Dr. Cynic]

Aye

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This amendment has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Lumine]

Aye FTR.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Nay

[Deus Naturae]

Anyone want to explain why we should be promoting democracy abroad? Attempting to alter the basic political structure of a foreign country amounts to hyper-imperialism.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Anyone want to explain why we should be promoting democracy abroad? Attempting to alter the basic political structure of a foreign country amounts to hyper-imperialism.

Democracy is the antithesis of imperialism. Imperialism requires one nation to be subordinated to another. Democracy is based first and foremost and self-determination. Encouraging democracy, or true democracy could not possibly be imperialist could it?

[Lumine]

Indeed, the emphasis here is in promoting, not forcing democracy, so I don't personally think that could be a bad cause as long as we can be careful about it.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I think it would be remiss of us to not 'promote' democracy. I mean, when I was president I placed conditions on our military aid, that it only be given to those countries with relatively decent human rights standards.

If we are going to be a force in the world (and we are) then we should be a positive ambassador for democracy.

[Dr. Cynic]

Why should we not promote our ideology? Promoting and forcing are two different things. It's the same way you promote your beliefs that I have no intention of adopting myself, Deus. That doesn't mean you shouldn't promote them.