Peace and Prosperity Act of 2014 (Voting on Amendment)

[Dr. Cynic]

There's plenty of good stuff in this bill I'd support, however, I certainly have a few minor disagreements with this bill as it's presented. I think 75% is far too deep a cut. Our military could find itself lacking in sufficient supplies and we could see corners being cut that could actually endanger personnel. I think cuts can be done, but is 75% really the most prudent number?

Also, the closing of all foreign bases would not only risk our own defense, but the defenses of nations where belligerent powers would seek to cause those nations harm. If you want to draw down the number of troops in those bases, I could maybe support that, but outright closure of such bases could potentially cause more harm than good...

[Dr. Cynic]

I still think it's a mistake to close ALL foreign bases. If only for the fact that those bases are spots that can protect us and our allies. If we do become involved in another conflict, heaven forbid, it would be a great strategic disadvantage to have to move troops into such a position when there could have been troops already there.

I certainly would support closure of bases that are unnecessary, but I still think it's important to maintain some for our own strategic interests.

[Dr. Cynic]

TNF is right.

I though I saw an objection  Senator Cynic made an objection.  That's why I thought a vote was called for.

He did not post 'I object.'

I didn't object. I did make a post.

[Dr. Cynic]

I guess I can support this. It will probably save some money without leaving us completely vulnerable or force us into breaking our obligations to our allies left and right.

[Dr. Cynic]

Aye

I can't support the bill without the amendments offered.

[Dr. Cynic]

Aye

And I must say I'm baffled that Cassius has revealed himself as more dovish than tnf.

Oh no, I'm trying to prevent this bill (which contains virtually nothing that I agree with) being made more palatable to the Senate as a whole (as evidenced by Cynic's comment).

Seems a bit odd to attempt, no? When clearly the modified bill satisfies just about everybody else. Seems a curious move to me.

[Dr. Cynic]

I tend to agree. This bill isn't disarming us at this point and is pressing on a more democratic and open UN. I fail to see exactly how such a restructure could be negative.

[Dr. Cynic]

Nay

[Dr. Cynic]

Aye

[Dr. Cynic]

Why should we not promote our ideology? Promoting and forcing are two different things. It's the same way you promote your beliefs that I have no intention of adopting myself, Deus. That doesn't mean you shouldn't promote them.

[Dr. Cynic]

Aye

I would prefer to have abstained myself, but given the vote is tied, I feel the need to come down one one side or another. That being decided, I've chosen to give the bill the benefit of the doubt.