Should Colorado have to pay for neighboring state's marijuana prohibition?

[Simfan34]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades, and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

[greenforest32]

Of course not. Kansas and other states need to change their corrupt laws to stop the incarceration. 14% of the U.S. population uses marijuana every year; should these people be arrested? Current laws, ones that the police have no problem enforcing and ardently defending because it feeds their budgets, mostly say yes:

http://blog.norml.org/2014/07/30/study-arrests-for-marijuana-offenses-increasing-in-many-states/

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http://norml.org/pdf_files/JBG_Marijuana_in_the_States_2012.pdf

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[The Free North]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades, and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

Illogical argument.

[Sbane]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades, and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

Do you understand the concept of victimless crimes?

[Deus Naturae]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades, and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

They would be wrong to demand that Arizona reimburse them for the costs of incarceration, yes.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

A better analogy is the gun laws mentioned above. Hell it even works as an inversion in this case as Colorado has tougher gun laws than all the states in question.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

Considering that Colorado is essentially commiting nullification, it's government should be replaced by the feds like the South had in the 1860s. After that happens, there will be no need for reimbursement.

[Simfan34]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades,

and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

Do you understand the concept of victimless crimes?

If you lob a grenade in the woods, does it have a victim?

If you smoke marijuana in front of someone who is bothered by the stench,  is there a victim?

[Sbane]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades,

and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

Do you understand the concept of victimless crimes?

If you lob a grenade in the woods, does it have a victim?

If you smoke marijuana in front of someone who is bothered by the stench,  is there a victim?

Do you hold marijuana smoke to a different standard than cigarette smoke?

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

You can easily ban the act of smoking in public or in the presence of other people while still making marijuana legal for the public to consume in the privacy of their own homes.

[Sbane]

You can easily ban the act of smoking in public or in the presence of other people while still making marijuana legal for the public to consume in the privacy of their own homes.

Which is exactly what Colorado has done.

[muon2]

A better analogy is the gun laws mentioned above. Hell it even works as an inversion in this case as Colorado has tougher gun laws than all the states in question.

An even better analogy is fireworks. States with legal fireworks sales typically have big stores right across the line from states where sales and possession are illegal. Furthermore, like marijuana, transporting fireworks across state lines without a license is a federal offense. However, given the long history of fireworks use, especially around the 4th of July, there's often some level of detente.

Consider IL and IN. IL is quite strict about fireworks possession and use. IN permits sales to persons over 18 so there are stores right across the border from IL. It's highly unlikely that an IL sheriffs deputy would stop a car coming from IN on suspicion of possession of fireworks. On some rare case that there was a stop for other reasons they might write up a misdemeanor ticket, but more likely would inform the driver that the fireworks were illegal in IL and they should dispose of them promptly, which could include surrendering them to the officer. In cities in IL, enforcement for use on a holiday is usually lightly enforced and is reserved for large displays that pose a significant fire or safety risk. OTOH sales of fireworks in IL is taken seriously and an offender can expect legal consequences.

It wouldn't surprise me to see local law enforcement begin treat marijuana in the same way. Tough on secondary sales, but light on transportation.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

If Arizona legalised hand grenades,

and young people had a habit of lobbing hand grenades, would California police be wrong to arrest people who had purchased hand grenades in Arizona? Or would you advise that California legalise hand grenades as well?

Do you understand the concept of victimless crimes?

If you lob a grenade in the woods, does it have a victim?

If you smoke marijuana in front of someone who is bothered by the stench,  is there a victim?

I'm sorry, but is this a real argument?

[Simfan34]

Yes.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

[Sbane]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

Typical Inks

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

Typical Inks

I fully support legalization, but that's not something the sheriffs can change.  There's absolutely no reason Colorado should pay for it, so the remaining options are to not enforce it (which could have its own negative ramifications and cops could lose their jobs if the state still wants it enforced) or offset the costs.

[Sbane]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

Typical Inks

I fully support legalization, but that's not something the sheriffs can change.  There's absolutely no reason Colorado should pay for it, so the remaining options are to not enforce it (which could have its own negative ramifications and cops could lose their jobs if the state still wants it enforced) or offset the costs.

If the state wants it enforced, they should pay for it then. In any case, I highly doubt any cop is going to lose his job because he didn't incarcerate some dude with weed.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

Typical Inks

I fully support legalization, but that's not something the sheriffs can change.  There's absolutely no reason Colorado should pay for it, so the remaining options are to not enforce it (which could have its own negative ramifications and cops could lose their jobs if the state still wants it enforced) or offset the costs.

If the state wants it enforced, they should pay for it then. In any case, I highly doubt any cop is going to lose his job because he didn't incarcerate some dude with weed.

But if the state doesn't increase county jail funding, counties can't force it.

[Sbane]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

Typical Inks

I fully support legalization, but that's not something the sheriffs can change.  There's absolutely no reason Colorado should pay for it, so the remaining options are to not enforce it (which could have its own negative ramifications and cops could lose their jobs if the state still wants it enforced) or offset the costs.

If the state wants it enforced, they should pay for it then. In any case, I highly doubt any cop is going to lose his job because he didn't incarcerate some dude with weed.

But if the state doesn't increase county jail funding, counties can't force it.

If the state makes a big deal about border counties not enforcing marijuana laws, there will be pressure on them to fund these counties jails.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can't they just increase the amounts required for bail or add additional local civil penalties?

Typical Inks

I fully support legalization, but that's not something the sheriffs can change.  There's absolutely no reason Colorado should pay for it, so the remaining options are to not enforce it (which could have its own negative ramifications and cops could lose their jobs if the state still wants it enforced) or offset the costs.

If the state wants it enforced, they should pay for it then. In any case, I highly doubt any cop is going to lose his job because he didn't incarcerate some dude with weed.

But if the state doesn't increase county jail funding, counties can't force it.

If the state makes a big deal about border counties not enforcing marijuana laws, there will be pressure on them to fund these counties jails.

My guess would be that there's already pressure if the sheriffs are seeking outside money.